Walt is a monster no denying it, without Jesse however I do not see Walt becoming the monster he has become. Serious question because I don't have time at the moment to research it but how many people did Walt murder directly because of Jesse, and how many would he have had to not murder if not for Jesse? This show isn't Breaking Bad without Jesse, its a how to make meth and be successful show.
Who absolved? Who said anyone is a "better" person? They're all fucking damaged.
Crazy8, Crazy8's Cousin, Gustavo, Two drug dealers, 2 guards guarding Jesse--So 7. (8 if you include Gale, because it was on Walt's order.)
I don't think so. Even if Walt had somehow managed to get in with Gus without Jesse, he would have fucked it up eventually the same way he fucks up everything. He wanted to be Gus, even before Jesse.
Can't argue with him being the devil, he is. I just like monsters that accept what they are, rather than ones that cry and blame everyone else
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You're putting Krazy8 and Emilio on Walt? That's bullshit. Walt sent him to Krazy8, told him to make the deal, should have realized that Jesse was not equipped to deal with people like that. He didn't kill Gus because of Jesse, he killed Gus because of his own actions. Yes, you will say, but he did that because of Jesse! He didn't have to, he chose to.
Again, Jesse was labeled a snitch. Right? Krazy8 was his source for distribution. Jesse was going to go back to Krazy8 the moment he needed to cook more meth to make money. At which point, Krazy8 would have killed him. Remember, he tells Walt he's "laying low for a while after the bust", but he had every intention of cooking again (It's his only source of income.)
What? Remember when Jesse goes to steal Meth to sell it? Walt tells him "You're going to be a millionaire....Just enjoy it, don't rock the boat." When Jesse goes to kill the guys the first time, Walt goes to Gustavo and turns Jesse in, but asks Gus not to kill him, that he will be responsible for Jesse. When Hank is almost killed, Walt says he respects Gus' plan.
Krazy8 was the snitch, he targeted Jesse to draw attention off himself. You think that situation would have gone better for Walt had Jesse now been there? Probably just about the same, no one took him seriously.
Yeah, that's because the first 3.5 seasons he was happy to let other people run the empire. He just wanted money. It was only after he was nearly killed a bunch of times that he wanted to be in control. But again, who brought on those killings. (And btw, I explicitly state pre-s5 multiple times.)
No, I don't think that situation would have gotten better. That's the point, bro. Jesse would have died. He lived, only because he had Walt's Meth (Which is precisely what I said?). But the reason he needed to sell Walt out was because of his own previous bad relationship with Krazy8. Jesse.
The first post in this exchange said Walt is a monster. That he is responsible for what he did. But what it's illustrating is Jesse is also a monster, that Jesse just doesn't take responsibility for the deaths he is the root of, and instead tries to blame it on Walt. It also states Walt would have been FAR less a monster without Jesse.
Precisely this, Walt is a monster and so is Jesse. Walt without Jesse may still become a monster but this pure speculation, Jesse however without Walt wouldn't have been a monster because he would have been dead. Walt brought out the worst in Jesse and so did Jesse in Walt, the only difference is Walt decided to man up and accept what he had become, Jesse just resorted to acting like a bitch and put it all on Walt.
That's where I get off the crazy8 train with you. They've taken pains to show how Walt's flaws and lust for power/something undefined go way back. Throughout this show we watched him comfortably settle in to the position of meth dealing badass, much more quickly than should be possible even for someone with his illness. He was able to handle himself well in situation where even Jesse, with actual experience dealing with these crackheads, was way out of his depth. Walt let people die, poisoned, murdered, did whatever he had to do, and he did it byhis own choice.