Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...
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Phazael
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It's like the Lumie thread, except in this case its two intractable retards instead of one, so when one lesbian/lesbian wannabe cannot handle all the cognitive dissonance, they tap out and the other takes over or a while, whereas Lumie has to take breaks to imbibe garlic from time to time.
Tanoomba
ジョーディーすれいやー
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Like most wild assumptions, your interpretation of my claim to have studied something is wrong. When I say "studied", I mean "I had to learn about it and was held to a high standard of understanding" exactly the kind of thing we're talking about. I don't know about the States, but when you get a degree for a profession here you do actually learn things.
And yes, his conclusion was that there could very well be influence from both sources. However, it's dishonest to try to use this as a "gotcha!" when it's made clear that many, many attempts to PROVE the genetic influence have come up empty. I read the entire article before posting it, not just to make a point in a debate but because it's actually interesting. I like learning, so sue me.
But hey, at least you were mature about it.
Soygen
The Dirty Dozen For the Price of One
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Three people babbling non-stop makes a lot of posts, but it doesn't make it popular.
Arbitrary
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Mist
REEEEeyore
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It's not size but the fact that studying a sample of only psych students is a non-representative sample. It's by nature a self-selected sample (actually self-selected on quite a few nested levels: graduated high school, went to college, chose liberal arts, chose psychology) and totally not representative of the general population. The only reason one would ever have to study only a bunch of psych students with a psych survey is that it's fucking easy, you can just force your students to fill out whatever forms you want!
Jive Turkey
Karen
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I wonder how much of this societal learning view is being held onto because it plays right into the "we just have to teach our boys not to rape" mentality
Kirun
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How to rape is one of the first things my father taught me. In fact, it has been passed down through the generations. Funnily enough, all my male friends were also given these lessons by their fathers. Those who didn't grow up with fathers learned it from the nearest male hobo.
othree
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What a bunch of worthless words all bunched together in this thread.
You guys should go kayaking. It'll free your mind from wasting more time on useless endeavors such as which sexual orientation and race combination will garner you the most internet sympathy. Plus, you might get flipped and die from smashing your head on a rock. That would do us all a huge favor.
You guys should go kayaking. It'll free your mind from wasting more time on useless endeavors such as which sexual orientation and race combination will garner you the most internet sympathy. Plus, you might get flipped and die from smashing your head on a rock. That would do us all a huge favor.
iannis
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Computer science was/(is?) one of those self limiting sorts of jobs. The better you are at your job the less call there is for subsequent work. When you add in the specialized nature of the work (even moreso in the 80's. People forget what life was like before messydos) you've got the situation that contract work was invented for.
The point being that... sure... social factors COULD play a role in the selection. They are hardly the only class of actor in that complex interaction. I genuinely question if they are a real actor at all, or if they are an after the fact rationalization for what happened. I think you can fairly make the point that they are one (f)actor among many and that my initial reservation is just as niave as claiming they are they only, or the over riding, or even the most influential, factor. Just as niave, but less intellectually dishonest.
Maybe this sort of thing can be quantified. It has been and can be in other fields. The study of patterns in disease is extremely intricate and based almost entirely in statistics and mathematical models. The amazing thing is it also incredibly useful and fairly accurate. Sometimes they do swing and miss, but they don't miss often. It is possible to do it.
But the CDC does not self-justify their pet theories, models, and forecasts. They do not claim that something has to be one way and it is true unless it can be disproven -- and then immediately dismiss all contrary evidence as invalid. That's ridiculous. As in worthy of ridicule. That's what most Merlins THINK they do. But what they're actually doing is trying to accomplish something beyond getting next years grant.
It comes down to an epistemological question. And it shouldn't.
Jive Turkey
Karen
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Mist
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Look a hundred pages back, or in the Elliot Rodger thread for my thoughts on this ridiculous assertion.
Lendarios
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Mist. What about the second study I linked, that was actually a compendium of research of 22 other studies? Most of the other studies if not all of them pointed to the same thing. A better spatial performance by males over females.
Are those 22 studies also wrong in your book of science?
Are those 22 studies also wrong in your book of science?
Mist
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Again, adult brains. You'd have to prove that their brains didn't develop that way in part (and I'd say a large part) because of external, socially constructed incentives/rewards for boys to be better at spatial relations.
Cad
scientia potentia est
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What did you have in mind here? Do you think there's some "spatial relations frat house" we all go to in 2nd grade?
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Trump's Staff
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Why don't you say. "You'll have to prove aliens didn't do it", both have the same effect, which is you finding a reason to reject the theory, without any back up to it.
Now. Do you have any reason to backup you stance?? Anything other that hunches, anything other than your opinion?
Imagine that Tanoomba would have said.
The two amount to the same. claims without backup against physical evidence.
You are like the Chapelle skit about Rkelly. "unless you have the grandma verifying it was R Kelly., while holding identification..." Nothing is never enough since u just wave your magic wands of Aliens did it.
Your counterclaim amounts to the same as "how can i prove that God didnt made it happen after the children were born". All three statements lack any evidence behind them, and on a counter claim you have to provide evidence.
If you claim that society model all those 23 studies, then bring some evidence to it, else the only evidence we are left with is biological.
Also what I find hilarious is how you accepted the physical aspect of the claim, how the muscles were different in males vs females, and didn't even bother to say "well adult bodies, children bodies have the same level of strength among the two sexes" as a counterclaim; but as soon as the brain is touched, you revert to "modelling modelling modelling", ignoring that a brain, muscle and other organs can be affected by the same biological channels, independent of society.
In the end it amount to two things.
I'm saying, and the studies, and most people are saying, we think biology is the answer, because is the only thing common among all the variables.
You are saying you are right because u cant be proven wrong, as no one in this day and age is born without a society that molds them.
That is what it boils one to, one of those two statements is not science, and it has the same truth validation, as aliens did it, or God did it, or magical gnomes did it.
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Trump's Staff
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Once more time for clarity. I don't have to prove your point for you. You have to prove your own point.