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Trump's Staff
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Sowhat ifgendered occupational roles WERE biologically defined. Why is it that the 'male jobs' just happen, on average, to pay more? I mean, there's approximately the same supply of labor on both sides of the gender scale, so it's not a supply issue.

Since I'm not allowed to say patriarchy, I guess I challenge one of you to come up with a logical alternative hypothesis.
Your hypothesis may be flawed. The female workforce is higher than the man workforce.
 

Arbitrary

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Why is it that the 'male jobs' just happen, on average, to pay more? I mean, there's approximately the same supply of labor on both sides of the gender scale, so it's not a supply issue.
Hypothesis #1 - The better paying "male jobs" are often very dangerous. A woman's ability to attract a mate has much less to do with her income than it does for men so there's just no reason to go into those areas.

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Mist

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Hypothesis #1 - The better paying "male jobs" are often very dangerous. A woman's ability to attract a mate has much less to do with her income than it does for men so there's just no reason to go into those areas.

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Okay but the dangerous male jobs aren't the ones that are paying more by statistically significant factors.

It's the financial sector and a few other sectors that really throws off the curve in favor of the men. And a lot of real shit jobs that throw the curve against women.
 

Jais

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Okay but the dangerous male jobs aren't the ones that are paying more by statistically significant factors.

It's the financial sector and a few other sectors that really throws off the curve in favor of the men. And a lot of real shit jobs that throw the curve against women.
They're better at their job or have been there longer?
 

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Mist_sl said:
Okay but the dangerous male jobs aren't the ones that are paying more
Many do. You can make good money as a roofer. You've just got an above average chance at dying. The same is true with logging, fishing, steel workers, other areas of construction, and so on. Those jobs are some of the most dangerous the United States has to offer in fact.

It's the financial sector and a few other sectors that really throws off the curve in favor of the men. And a lot of real shit jobs that throw the curve against women.
Do you have any idea the kind of sociopath you need to be to be a top earner in the financial sector? Women just don't have enough psychopaths to be well represented in that field.
 

Mist

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I'll have you know that women are rapidly closing the sociopath gap, especially in America. That's an actual thing that's happening in psychology right now. And, unsurprisingly to me, there's absolutely no biological explanation.
 

Mist

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They're better at their job or have been there longer?
Wooshed over your fucking head. We're not talking about differences in pay for the same job. We're talking about the fact that stereotypically female jobs just happen to pay less than stereotypically male jobs.
 

khalid

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So was listening to Daniel Dennett's very good book "Breaking the Spell". At one point, he says that it is easy to fall into the trap of many sociologists and psychologists, of "insufficient imagination" once you have found one possible explanation for a phenomena.

Which really seems to fit my opinion of at least Mist on this. She has "the explanation", so rather than see a study that contradicts it or adds something to it and say "Hurm, interesting, maybe that is a factor", she instead says (absent of any proof of this) that they must be doing their statistics wrong.
 

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I'll have you know that women are rapidly closing the sociopath gap, especially in America. That's an actual thing that's happening in psychology right now. And, unsurprisingly to me, there's absolutely no biological explanation.
We're just more willing to accept that women are capable of evil these days rather than ignore it/fail to believe it to be the case.

The march to equality.
 

khalid

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Also, since this is the feminist thread apparently, what is up with some of the feminist youtube channels seriously hating on atheists? Seems that atheism and feminism movements have much in common. Certainly religion is a MAJOR factor in discrimination against women and it seems that there is a direct connection between the more religious of a society to the less rights that women have.
 

Mist

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We're just more willing to accept that women are capable of evil these days rather than ignore it/fail to believe it to be the case.

The march to equality.
Bullshit. We've been demonizing women with ease forever. Witches?
 

Arbitrary

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Yeah, the whole fairer sex nurturer dainty princess archtypes were never a thing.

White women are and forever have been goddamn bulletproof.
 

fanaskin

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regardless did that specific reasoning have any explanatory merit? can hardly get much more financier than the city of london.
 

iannis

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Bullshit. We've been demonizing women with ease forever. Witches?
Men got killed too.

The difference is that it was easier for a woman to be unorthodox than a man. A man was allowed to decide to be unorthodox. A woman would stumble into heresy through ignorance. A man also had more defensive support for his unorthodox behaviors and ideas. Because.... literally... Patriarchy.

You'll notice that I'm agreeing with you with the exception that I think the reason is different than what you assume. My ten second analysis allows for your observation and arbitrary's observation to both be correct.
 

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I'll have you know that women are rapidly closing the sociopath gap, especially in America. That's an actual thing that's happening in psychology right now. And, unsurprisingly to me, there's absolutely no biological explanation.
Can you link to something? Something with numbers and such? This is partly snarky and partly because I find this stuff interesting