Cad
scientia potentia est
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Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...
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Mist
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Yes, that's my thesis here. Any woman who is reasonably sexually active for a significant period of her adolescence + adulthood will be raped or otherwise forced or intimidated to perform a sex act that is against their wishes at some point in that period. They will not report it because they feel the system is rigged against them, the repercussions will be worse for them than the perpetrator, etc. And frequently they will lie to themselves, suppress the memory or whatever it takes to convince themselves it wasn't rape.
Also, I'm sure this happens to a lot of men, especially in adolescence, so I'm sure it's not something limited to women and I'm not saying it is.
Gavinmad
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khalid
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So lets set up a scenario...
You are a young woman. Your boyfriend begs you to give him a bj. You feel reluctant, but then finally just do it so he will stop pestering you.
I am betting Mist sees this as sexual violence. The only way her statistic makes sense is something like that.
You are a young woman. Your boyfriend begs you to give him a bj. You feel reluctant, but then finally just do it so he will stop pestering you.
I am betting Mist sees this as sexual violence. The only way her statistic makes sense is something like that.
Mist
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I'm not claiming it's a statistic. I very clearly stated the bounds of my data to be personal anecdotes.
You're right, it's a self selecting sample that's inherently biased. The ones that weren't raped obviously don't talk about being raped. So I'll admit a very serious sampling problem here, you got me, and I concede it.
If I brought my 'statistic' down to 'merely' lets say 40% of women having their sexual sovereignty violated at some point in their sexual active lives, would that make it any better? Would that be any less of a serious fucking problem that needs to be addressed not just in terms of legality/political grounds but by very serious cultural conversations on the victimization of women?
Gavinmad
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Mist
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This is ridiculous.
The victimization of women (also probably men too) is unacceptably high regardless of how you want to look at it, and nothing is being done about it, and people are being told to shut up about it.
That attitude is LITERALLY part of the problem I'm trying to address here, so thanks for fucking illustrating.
Cad
scientia potentia est
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In other news, 50% of murders go unsolved. VICTIMIZATION of humans is unacceptable. What are we doing to do about it? I suggest to fix the murder rate, the cops, upon discovery of a dead body, should immediately arrest the nearest 3 people to the body who aren't cops, play eenie meenie miney moe, and the one who loses gets shot in the face. Murder = solved. I mean, this is just a proof problem. So we just lower the standard of proof until we can solve all the cases. Who cares if its good proof or not, right? We just need closure. The plus side of this is, its cheap.
Xeldar
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Mist
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Yeah, life experiences don't count for shit I guess. I'm trying to impart upon you life experiences that you can't possibly have experienced because you're not a woman and I'm just being told to shut up because you don't want your worldview shattered.
At least Cad's counterargument is somewhat reasonable. But I'm not talking about lowering the burden of proof. I'm talking about a serious conversation about lowering the burden on the victim in general, including, in fact, ESPECIALLY, the social repercussions.
And what I'm really talking about is ACKNOWLEDGING that the level of victimization is literally unbelievably high (literally you're refusing to believe me) and that admitting this is the first step to exploring the true scope of the problem.
khalid
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Yes, I am refusing to believe your statistics WHICH YOU ADMIT ARE ANECDOTAL AND BIASED. For fucks sake, listen to yourself.
Gavinmad
Mr. Poopybutthole
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I've already said that the rate of sexual assault is way too goddamn high no matter what the rate is. I'm just not interested in hearing about your nonsensical made up 100% rape bullshit.
I have a person very close to me who was the victim of rape. She won't tell me anything about it because she knows I will go Man on Fire on every single one of the people involved. I know that she didn't report it (otherwise I would have found out about it when it happened) and I assume that was because she didn't think anyone would believe it was rape given whatever circumstances there were, and the fact that she'll never get justice for what happened to her is like a piece of my soul was ripped out.
You, on the other hand, have never had a meaningful relationship in your entire life, so the fact that people you know were raped doesn't really mean anything to you. It's just something you intellectually understand and it provides ammo for your ridiculous position about sexual assault. But if you ever told me I was part of the problem to my face, I would break your fucking jaw, 90 pound woman or not.
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I should clarify that I've never actually pressed her for details because I feel it would be inappropriate to make her relive what happened, and because I believe she wouldn't tell me anyway because she'd know the only reason I'd be asking would be so I could brutally torture and murder anyone involved.
Skanda
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Somehow I seriously doubt you represent the average womans experience with life.
Cad
scientia potentia est
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As I have never been a woman, I can't say I relate to your experience or what you are saying. I can tell you that I have never once had a sexual encounter that was the least bit rapey. Not even by Mist standards. I can tell you I asked my wife, mother, sister in law, and random women that I know this question and none of them have been victimized the way you're saying. Which is to say, none of them have been forcibly raped.
I also don't know what we can do about "social repercussions" . What the fuck can we do about that? I can tell people not to victim blame, except when the victim deserves blame. What the fuck good does that do? People are going to feel how they are going to feel. It's just like racism. You can tell people not to be racist, and they might smile at you and say yes, and then move across town because a black family moved in next door. What are you going to do about that? Pass thought crime laws? It's not illegal to move. It's not illegal to slut shame. It might be socially reprehensible, but THATS HUMANITY. No law we pass will change that.
What you're failing to get through (and we're failing to grasp, I guess, but it's much the same as if someone offers you a hot smelly turd... I will refuse to reach out and grab it) is that you're asking for *social change*. You want people to *act and think differently, whether or not their behavior is actually against the law.* Which is fine! I wish things were different in 100 ways as well. But you are couching this in terms of a *law enforcement* discussion. You're talking about cops and sentencing and etc while asking for SOCIAL CHANGE.
Get this into your head: The laws are being enforced. The laws are adequate. The change you're asking for has nothing to do with laws or prosecutors or the "system being rigged." It has everything to do with social perception, humans being terrible fucking witnesses to crimes, and perceived injustice because - gasp - the world isn't fair.
Aaron
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I wonder how many manhours have been spent on the Internet arguing about some fictional rape this past day. You could probably get a decent sized pyramid up and running I'd guess. Well, you could if the people japping their tits off weren't hambeasts and anorexic hipsters.
