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Asshat wormie

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Or they made mistakes, or they went and found some out of the way college in the middle of a serious crisis.

Scientists aren't perfect and when you make claims that don't pass the laugh test, you might want to back it up with better data. Like your very first post on the topic, they went and did a study with supposedly much more stringent definitions of what a rape was and came up with about the same amount as before. If that doesn't raise a red flag with you, dunno what to say.
The data is subject to the women's personal opinions on the matter. I bet if the women who reported being "raped" had slept with guys who were really hot, the numbers of "rapes" reported would be tiny compared to what this study alleges.
 

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The data is subject to the women's personal opinions on the matter. I bet if the women who reported being "raped" had slept with guys who were really hot, the numbers of "rapes" reported would be tiny compared to what this study alleges.
Even then, you'd get women calling "rape" when the "hawt" guys don't accept the proposal for a relationship.
 

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There's no incentive for respondents to over-report forcible rape on this survey. You're making no sense here.
There's no real incentive for Emma Sulcowicz to carry a mattress around and accuse that guy of forcible rape either. But there she is. She probably honestly believes she was raped because in hindsight she wouldn't have consented if she knew he didn't care about her.
 

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There's no real incentive for Emma Sulcowicz to carry a mattress around and accuse that guy of forcible rape either. But there she is. She probably honestly believes she was raped because in hindsight she wouldn't have consented if she knew he didn't care about her.
She has tons of incentive. She wants attention and is getting attention of the highest sort. Do you know what an incentive is?
 

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She has tons of incentive. She wants attention and is getting attention of the highest sort. Do you know what an incentive is?
I do, and obviously her ploy now is to get attention. But lets take what she's doing at face value - she obviously *thinks* she was raped. Either she thinks she was raped, or she's the worst kind of doubling-down long-con shitlord alive. I mean she has pulled this story from the start and been consistent, she just lacks any kind of proof. So obviously *she* thinks she was raped, regardless of what happened.

How does this play into the survey? Well the survey is asking women what they "think" happened. Its not asking for proof. It's asking them if they think they've been raped, forcibly and otherwise (as you note, you have a lot of questions there.) They then pulled out just the ones who said forcible, and thats great. But it doesn't examine the facts of the story, just their feelings about it. Which is fine as a survey; but when you have such a huge disconnect between the percentage of women who were forcibly raped and the percentage of convictions, arrests, or reports that results in, something doesn't jive.

If there really are that many forcible rapes happening and women just aren't reporting it, thats fucked up. If there really are that many forcible rapes happening and women are reporting it but the police are ignoring them, thats fucked up. And so on and so forth.

But I think the big disconnect is between most women's idea of what forcible rape is, and what the law's idea of forcible rape is. So when they go to report it and are told that isn't rape, go home, or they say they can't get a conviction on that, go home, they think the law is biased against them or not protecting them. So that snowballs into "why report at all" and real rapes probably go unreported too. Which is a shame, because rapists are scumbag motherfuckers.

The real task should be 1> obviously prosecute all rapes to the fullest extent of the law 2> educate females as to how to protect themselves and not get into situations where they will face high pressure tactics combined with alcohol and (probably) drugs 3> educate males about how not to use high pressure tactics and be fucking gentlemen.

All three of those are important in my eyes, so Mist I don't think we really disagree and thats why we seem to be talking past each other. I think you just see the issue as "the law is inadequate because womens perceptions of rape and the laws perception of rape don't jive" and I think it's more like women's perception of rape is overbroad and unjustified. But neither of these positions are really wrong, we're just viewing it from the other angle. Know what I mean? Olive branch.
 

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Remember that this data was collected in 2010, long before the current dust up of the "campus rape crisis" over-reporting, so I don't think this data was influenced by current trends.

When I see these numbers with this methodology, I see evidence that points to the fact that this crisis is actually more serious than people want to admit it is.

Even if we complete discard the reported 'attempted' rapes as mere misunderstandings, completed rapes still stand at 11% lifetime rates by time one of these college girls got to her sophomore year. That's disgusting.
 

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Even if we complete discard the reported 'attempted' rapes as mere misunderstandings, completed rapes still stand at 11% lifetime rates by time one of these college girls got to her sophomore year. That's disgusting.
Yes, it is. It very much is.

I was a young man once, and I can assure you that young men are scumbag daughterfuckers.

We need to legalize sex workers.
 

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Then freshmen girls will just claim they were "FORCED INTO PROSTITUTION" by low mcdonald's minimum wages, high chipotle burrito prices, and uncontrollable vagina magic.