Sterling
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You could reduce the gap in standards without completely removing it. Not necessarily perfect but probably better than the current standard gap.
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I just wanted to comment on this. Having only been in the Coast Guard I cannot speak to how other branches handled their boot camp. How ever we had one shower with 6 shower heads and about 50 people that had to share it. You pretty quickly lose any sense of embarrassment when you are showering with 5 other dudes.
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Eidal
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Marine Corps gender integration research executive summary
USMC spends 40 mil on this shit and the Secretary of the Navy is already dismissing it saying that they went into it with a bias. Whelp...
USMC spends 40 mil on this shit and the Secretary of the Navy is already dismissing it saying that they went into it with a bias. Whelp...
Gavinmad
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The best part is that she's actually a pretty hot looking white girl and not someone you think you need to do a chromosome test on. Probably got so ripped defending herself from Muslim gang rapists.
At least there are a few shieldmaidens left in Scandinavia.
At least there are a few shieldmaidens left in Scandinavia.
Long weekend, just coming back to this thread, whoever was making the point that the Kurds field a large number of women, I'll point out that guerrilla/low intensity combat force is different than a professional military. Also, mixed gender units in the IDF is a non seller because they're new and regulated to post duty, not "locate, close with and destroy the enemy" units.
There's either an actual reason why women haven't been utilized large scale in combat arms across the globe or it's because the patriarchy dictated it from it's hallowed out volcano lair.
There's either an actual reason why women haven't been utilized large scale in combat arms across the globe or it's because the patriarchy dictated it from it's hallowed out volcano lair.
Gavinmad
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Yeah that's why I didn't cite Israel because those aren't even integrated units are they?
My position is that I want to see how women perform when they are held to the same reasonable standards and expectations as male recruits from the moment they hit basic, given the same training, and receiving the same experience. We're not talking about special forces, we're talking regular line unit service. This isn't the NFL, they don't need to be the best of the best, they just need to be good enough. If, under those conditions, with sufficient years and combat actions to form an adequate amount of data to form clear, empirical conclusions, women are consistently found to individually perform poorly in combat or integrated units are consistently found to perform significantly worse than all male units, then I would agree that women would deserve to once again be excluded from direct combat duty.
I think we can give them a fair chance without seriously jeopardizing the combat capabilities of our military.
My position is that I want to see how women perform when they are held to the same reasonable standards and expectations as male recruits from the moment they hit basic, given the same training, and receiving the same experience. We're not talking about special forces, we're talking regular line unit service. This isn't the NFL, they don't need to be the best of the best, they just need to be good enough. If, under those conditions, with sufficient years and combat actions to form an adequate amount of data to form clear, empirical conclusions, women are consistently found to individually perform poorly in combat or integrated units are consistently found to perform significantly worse than all male units, then I would agree that women would deserve to once again be excluded from direct combat duty.
I think we can give them a fair chance without seriously jeopardizing the combat capabilities of our military.
Well the Caracal Bn is like 70% female.
Also, if you want to truly level the playing field you're going to see shitter returns than this last round of females that went though SoI because females are held to a lower standard out of the gate. There exists a female and male PFT currently. Take a gander my civvie friend. Your dismissal of line units only shows your pink palmed outlook of fighting units.
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Uh, by saying that I want to see how they perform when held to the same standards, aren't I tacitly acknowledging that they currently aren't held to the same standards? I know the PFT standards are different. I'm saying if a woman wants to serve in the infantry, she should have to pass at the exact same PFT standard for a man. As for you getting your panties in a bunch about my line unit comment, get over it? While they are capable of exceptional things, they aren't routinely expected to do them. I'm well aware that SF and their respective branch equivalents aren't unstoppable hollywood style killing machines, but they're still entrusted with missions and a degree of autonomy that your average rifleman would flounder with.
I'm not trying to insult line units when I say they only need to be good enough. I should have used the word competent, I wasn't trying to imply that infantry are disposable. I'm well aware that despite the lack of glamour, infantry are the backbone of the military. Armor can't clear buildings or even advance in an urban environment without infantry support, artillery and airstrikes can't capture objectives intact. It's all grunt work. But despite the necessity of their job, it's still a simple one, that's why it's called grunt work. Don't tell me you can't look at your squad, platoon, or company (are you an NCO?) and pick out at least a couple people that you would only describe as competent.
I don't care if only a handful of women are good enough to pass the same standards as men, if they can pass them they should get their chance.
I'm not trying to insult line units when I say they only need to be good enough. I should have used the word competent, I wasn't trying to imply that infantry are disposable. I'm well aware that despite the lack of glamour, infantry are the backbone of the military. Armor can't clear buildings or even advance in an urban environment without infantry support, artillery and airstrikes can't capture objectives intact. It's all grunt work. But despite the necessity of their job, it's still a simple one, that's why it's called grunt work. Don't tell me you can't look at your squad, platoon, or company (are you an NCO?) and pick out at least a couple people that you would only describe as competent.
I don't care if only a handful of women are good enough to pass the same standards as men, if they can pass them they should get their chance.
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I'm sorry, what the shit do you know about what a line unit is expected to do? Kick doors? Clear houses? Easy fucking peasy right? Settle down pink palms. "Grunt work" indeed, if you think we rely on arty and air support to do the job, you're far dumber than I give you credit for. "Just kick in a door and kill everyone that's shooting at you." #cakewalk