Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...

Eomer_sl said:

The human memory is really poor at recalling exact details,

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that maybe waiting 13 years before she started court proceedings didn't help.

Eomer_sl said:

Ah, I haven't been following it closely recently. I thought some of her comments/statements were from a decade ago, or longer.

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Yeah I figured as much. She waited 13 years to say a word... While she was in the midst of a separation/divorce.

Oh and for interesting trivia, should anyone care, one of the women who came forward (and I believe one of the first to publicly identify herself), was Lucy from the Trailer Park Boys. No particular relevance to that information.

Cad_sl said:

Are you telling me that doesn't just scream that she made up at least those details about the car?

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He was driving a different VW at the time, apparently. A Golf GTI. I could see a woman confusing the two when looking back 10 years, or anyone who isn't in to cars really. The overall point she was making remains largely the same: she was expecting this "big celebrity" (lol) to be driving some sort of penis with wheels, when it turns out he was actually driving a faggy chick car. I guess the Bug is faggier, but not by much.

So pulling a woman's name without warning is consider sexual assault in Canada? Or did something serious happen?

Arative_sl said:

So pulling a woman's name without warning is consider sexual assault in Canada? Or did something serious happen?

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Yeah, that was confusing. What exactly is the sexual assault accusation? That he yanked on her hair while they were making out? That's a dick move, and could be simple assault. But sexual assault? What am I missing?

The same woman claims that on a date that took place after the hair pulling incident, he outright clocked her one on the side of the head, I believe. Again without warning or consent. I believe that his trial presently involves charges from 6 or 9 different women, so it's going to be long and confusing to keep everything straight. Most of their public comments when this all blew up a year or two ago were fairly similar: he was initially charming and very friendly, but when sexy times started all of the sudden he would get violent and start beating on them, and that they never consented or discussed that kind of "activity" prior to it happening.

Jian Ghomeshi was 'punching me in the head, multiple times,' witness says - Toronto - CBC News

"He pulls my head down, and at the same time, he's punching me in the head, multiple times," the woman, whose identity is protected by a publication ban, said in Ontario Court in Toronto.

"I'm terrified. I don't know why he's doing this, I don't know if he's going to stop. Can I take this pain? And my ears are ringing, and I felt like I was going to faint. I'm going to end up passed out on his floor. And I start to cry."

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There was also a slew of co-workers who had made accusations of at least inappropriate behavior, if not outright sexual assault. The CBC at the time basically swept it under the rug. An investigation was completed that more or less backed that up, but that also faulted the CBC for not investigating further or punishing him, and therefore as an organization it had "condoned" the behavior. Literally entire universities had instructed their media programs to NOT allow their students to join his show as interns, because he was such a fucking creep:Students were warned away from Q internships: professor | Toronto Star

His record was so fucking bad that even Navigator, which is a crisis PR firm, dropped him after representing him for about a week when this all blew up. Even they were like "shit man, you are a fucking creep and your reputation is not salvageable." He filed a wrongful termination suit against the CBC that was eventually dropped, and he had to pay the CBC's court costs. Virtually no one has come forward to defend him. There were some very interesting and enlightening articles about his behavior even going back to his college days, where he was heavily involved in feminist and pro-choice movements, ostensibly to get in to chick's pants:Jian Ghomeshi: How he got away with it - Macleans.ca

At York, Ghomeshi "wanted to be the champion of women's issues," says Mitch Blass, a council vice-president. Ghomeshi's election promises included increasing funding to the Women's Centre. He spoke out in support of increased safety measures for women on campus, and co-founded a pro-choice network. Under him, YFS boycotted and published names of companies that have "ties to, or engage in racist, sexist, or homophobic activities."

But then, as in more recent years, it could be hard to separate the politics from personal, less ennobled ambition. Ghomeshi could be a "shameless self-promoter," says Chris Lawson, who was on staff with the Ontario Federation of Students during Ghomeshi's presidency, and is now a communications officer with the Public Service Alliance of Canada.He recalls the student leader being front and centre among York students at a Queen's Park rally for abortion funding: "Here's this dude, carrying the banner, which, to a lot of people, was an act of ultimate hubris. I think most men who support women and support women's rights wouldn't want to take up all that space at the head of a parade about abortion. They would see their role as being supportive."

Word around campus was that Ghomeshi used feminist lingo and his progressive credentials to get women into bed, says Lawson: "We used to treat it like a joke, in the sense that he was so blatant about it." Men saw Ghomeshi as a "douchebag" with an incredible ego, says a male student who knew him at the time: "Maybe we despised him because he figured out how to use feminism to f-k women. It was obvious to many of us that he was strategically using that kind of sensitive, new-age guy, feminist guy. He was playing the role. He really, really needed a lot of attention."

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In a lot of ways, Ghomeshi actually became what so many "cucks" (as you guys like to call them) aspire to be. He was championing all these feminist causes, while being a complete fucking creep to women.

For those unfamiliar with the story:Jian Ghomeshi: 8 women accuse former CBC host of violence, sexual abuse or harassment | Toronto Star

Cad_sl said:

She said he was driving a bright yellow beetle. A beetle looks nothing like a GTI. And it was her that came out with the specific car and color. This wasn't "oh I had some details wrong" it was "yes I remember these details!" "details were all wrong"

It'd be like me telling you a story about how I crashed my car because we hit ice, I clearly remember there was ice on the road and it was 20 degrees and I didn't have snow tires, and thats why we crashed.

Look at the weather report for that day, 70 and sunny. Gee, why would I remember that detail completely wrong?

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Fair enough. The prosecution is not off to a good start; the way things have been reported the first woman's story has a lot of inconsistencies. It'll be interesting to see how the other witness/victims/whatever do. His defense lawyer is known as being one of the country's best.

I do worry that the herd of sociopathic narcissists shitting up social media in the name of feminism are making me a little too skeptical about sex-related crimes.

In fact, I worry more generally that social media's signal boosting of loudmouthed imbeciles turns me off of causes I would support or problems that should be addressed. And there is very little a cause can do about it even if they don't want that support.

Phazael_sl said:

Why would he settle for anything less, guilty or innocent, especially up in Feels Land Canada? Even a half assedly executed false sexual assault claim can permafuck your life. I know I wouldn't take ANY chances in the USA and the burden of proof is greater down here.

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Yeah, Canada didn't do themselves any favors by letting a clear delusional narcissist turn a petty Twitter battle into a 3 year, life-ruining criminal trial.

Phazael_sl said:

Why would he settle for anything less, guilty or innocent, especially up in Feels Land Canada? Even a half assedly executed false sexual assault claim can permafuck your life. I know I wouldn't take ANY chances in the USA and the burden of proof is greater down here.

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Do you have any source for your claim that the Canadian criminal justice system is somehow more likely to convict people with a lower burden of proof? Other than, you know, feels?

Haast_sl said:

Yeah, Canada didn't do themselves any favors by allowing a clear delusional narcissist turn a petty Twitter battle into a 3 year, life-ruining criminal trial.

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Wait, is the one example you guys have a trial where the guy was foundnot guilty?

Feels indeed.

#triggeredkids

Barraco Bisi_sl said:

It should have never gone to trial to begin with. It's fucking twitter

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That may well be. But that has nothing to do with "burden of proof". The burden of proof for a conviction is the same in Canada as it is in the US: beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe some provisions of the criminal harassment statutes or laws or whatever are a bit loosey goosey, I have no idea. But considering that's the first actual Twitter harassment case to make it to trial, it's not like there's an avalanche of prosecutions out there.

As far as this Roosh thing goes, that's all kind of ridiculous. Why in the fuck are numerous big city mayors taking valuable time out of their days to address this shit? It's a bunch of losers on the internet with deplorable viewpoints who may or may not get together IRL. Who gives a fuck? Do we really need to give these assholes any more attention than they already get?

Moonarchia_sl said:

Kuriin runs your government? How is that not the best place in the universe?

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Because there not really gay just straight people trying to be gay gaybeo.

Quaid_sl said:

#triggeredkids

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ROFL wtf did roosh do now? Is this old?

Is this about the meetups? He's not going to all of them is he?