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Trollface_sl said:
being an opportunist isn't illegal. thanks for playing.
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Right, it's not illegal, which is why you should expect it to be reciprocal. It's not illegal to make an accusation if you believe the accusation to be true. An accusation where the defendant is not found guilty is not the same thing as a false accusation.

This basically boils down to man rule #1, don't stick your dick in the crazy.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Right, it's not illegal, which is why you should expect it to be reciprocal. It's not illegal to make an accusation if you believe the accusation to be true. An accusation where the defendant is not found guilty is not the same thing as a false accusation.
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And no one has said it is false accusation. Only "we don't know."

don't be so lazy, mist.
 
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False accusations were brought up many times yesterday. If we're talking about "we don't know" then that's the whole basis for having a criminal investigation. If we always knew who was guilty, police detectives would be out of work.
 
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Mist_sl said:
False accusations were brought up many times yesterday. If we're talking about "we don't know" then that's the whole basis for having a criminal investigation. If we always knew who was guilty, police detectives would be out of work.
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It was brought up many times because they were proven to be false accusation.

Please, keep up.
 
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Again, you are misusing the word "coercion". Again, you are stating "taking advantage of" as if that were a thing that was against the law. Luckily, you are also wrong, and it is NOT like this. There is no state prosecuting guys for picking up drunk chicks at the bar for consensual sex as rape. As with just about everything else, you take one pseudo-point and stretch it to unfathomable lengths, making yourself appear ridiculous.
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I never said taking advantage of someone was illegal. I said that there are lines you can cross when taking advantage of drunk people that can have consequences. If you take advantage of a drunk person and get them to sign a contract, that contract can be voided. If you take advantage of a drunk person and get them to fuck you, you can get charged with rape. This is the way things are. You don't have to like it (clearly, you don't), but for the grand majority of people who understand how human interactions work and can get through their entire lives without a single person charging them with rape (not asingle rape charge!), this is not only logical but reasonable and justified.

See, even though this point has been made a trillion times and counting, it bears repeating: Most people who get drunk and fuck are fine with it. I never once was concerned for a fraction of a second that somebody I slept with would later call "rape". However, this doesn't mean we must etch in stone that "drunken sex is never rape". It damn well can be, and when it is I'm not going to defend some rapist just becauseIknow how to choose people who have no problem having sex with me.

I'm not sayingalldrunken sex is rape (even though that point has been mockingly brought up countless times). I'm not saying it's OK for anyone to make false rape charges (nobody is OK with that, including feminists). I'm saying when someoneisraped, we can't just say "Oh, she was drunk. Suck it up, girl, you knew that could have happened when you started drinking."YOUthink it's a slippery slope: "If a drunk girl can cry rape, then all drunk girls might cry rape all the time." This is completely ridiculous. The vast, vast majority of women aren't joyless conniving bitches who trap men by getting drunk, fucking them then ruining their lives with rape charges. The number of times that occurs is so statistically tiny that it's barely a blip. The fact that you want to deny rape victims access to justice to protectperceivedmale victims is disgusting. It's disgusting.
 
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Of course it can be. No one ever said it couldn't. But your assertion that if you "take advantage of a drunk person it is rape" is false and no, it is not against the law. If you take advantage of anincapacitatedperson itcanbe rape, andthatis against the law. You are painting with this huge brush then trying to double back and say you aren't. Words have meanings, Mr. "Imma English Teacher Fellas!"
 
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chaos_sl said:
Of course it can be. No one ever said it couldn't. But your assertion that if you "take advantage of a drunk person it is rape" is false and no, it is not against the law. If you take advantage of anincapacitatedperson itcanbe rape, andthatis against the law. You are painting with this huge brush then trying to double back and say you aren't. Words have meanings, Mr. "Imma English Teacher Fellas!"
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If a girls gets drunk and a guy takes advantage of that drunkenness to fuck her then yes, she can call rape. It's then up to the legal system to decide whether or not what occurred was a rape. Whether things like how many drinks she had, whether or not she was completely incapacitated, or how willing she was at the time are relevant is for the courts to decide. But I'm not going to deny that girl her right to file rape charges because you're worried about guys being falsely accused (even though that virtually never happens, statistically).
 
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Tanoonmba.
First when you say that " you can get charged with rape. This is the way things are", then why the Ohio case, didn't had any charges presented? The victim was always drunk, and sex had definitely taken place. Also I'm hoping you mean been charged as "been charged with a crime and possible convicted" vs "been charged with a crime but everyone know you will never get a conviction". The reason I'm saying is because plenty of times people get charged because of outside forces, such as election year, political pressure, who the "victim" is, (notice the air quotes, because under my statement, the victim was drunk but no force took place, just drunk horniness and bad desicions).

Ex, if you take the chief of police out for drinks and she wakes up in your bed, you are going to be charged with rape, no matter if you have a video where she agrees to suck you off. Also if you are black and the girl is white, then you are getting charged with rape. but those cases are egregious acts, and not the norm. ( [troll] except the black on white, then is rape.. all the way[/troll]

Second if you are an English teacher. Show it in your arguments, use coercion, when you mean coercion, use compel when you mean compel. dont use use coercion and compel, when you "mean taking advantage of"
 
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Tanoomba_sl said:
If a girls gets drunk and a guy takes advantage of that drunkenness to fuck her then yes, she can call rape. It's then up to the legal system to decide whether or not what occurred was a rape. Whether things like how many drinks she had, whether or not she was completely incapacitated, or how willing she was at the time are relevant is for the courts to decide. But I'm not going to deny that girl her right to file rape charges because you're worried about guys being falsely accused (even though that virtually never happens, statistically).
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I don't think you are familiar with how our justice system works. Nothing prevents the girl from filing a case.
Second as soon as the complain comes, now the other person have rights too, such as the right to not been arrested by the police without reasonable suspicion. That right knows no exceptions and the reason for it, is to precisely avoid been wrongfully accused of something without any proof. That is a tenet of our judicial system, we will be damn if we let this change, just to apace drunk girls who make bad decisions
 
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Tanoomba only thinks in purely idealistic almost dreamy terms, tangentially that's why he can't wrap his head around how monumentally retarded it is to make roads out of solar panels.
 
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I've always kind of thought that burying cable in roads to de-ice them might make sense for colder climates.

And then I think about how much metal that would actually take and the insane amount of electricity that it would require to keep the concrete/asphalt above freezing and realize that I'm an idiot.
 
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Tanoomba only thinks in purely idealistic almost dreamy terms, tangentially that's why he can't wrap his head around how monumentally retarded it is to make roads out of solar panels.
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iannis

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I also think we should bio-engineer kudzu for a high sugar content and turn south carolina into one giant biodiesel farm/refinery. God knows it's good for nothing else.

Me... I'm full of good ideas.
 
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Tanoomba_sl said:
If a girls gets drunk and a guy takes advantage of that drunkenness to fuck her then yes, she can call rape. It's then up to the legal system to decide whether or not what occurred was a rape. Whether things like how many drinks she had, whether or not she was completely incapacitated, or how willing she was at the time are relevant is for the courts to decide. But I'm not going to deny that girl her right to file rape charges because you're worried about guys being falsely accused (even though that virtually never happens, statistically).
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A girl can file rape charges against any guy, ever, whether they even had sex or not. That doesn't make what happened rape and doesn't mean that the man violated the law. You have a real shitty grasp on our language and I weep for your students.
 
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Dear girls: If you don't like having penises inside you, don't drink with boys. If you do like having penises inside you, you should drink with boys.

Dear boys: If you don't like having crazy girls ruin your life, don't put your penis inside them. If you do like having crazy people ruin your life, you should put your penis inside them.

Dear Tanoomba: I dated a girl like you once. It fucking sucked.
 
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Dear AngryGerbil,

Is there a way I can put my penis inside a crazy girl and not have my life ruined? Like maybe I give her a fake name or something?
 
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Tanoomba_sl said:
Sure.

But get a guy drunk then make him sign a contract and, boom! Can be undone because the drunk guy was being taken advantage of.
Get a guy drunk and fuck him and, boom! Can be charged with rape because the drunk guy was being taken advantage of.
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You're actually wildly mischaracterizing the law. Generally the contract would only be voidable if he was intoxicated to the point of not understanding the legal ramifications of entering into the contract - not "I had a few shots, now I want to return this car." Etc.

But I don't expect that to stop your idiocy, so carry on.
 
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Tanoomba_sl said:
If a girls gets drunk and a guy takes advantage of that drunkenness to fuck her then yes, she can call rape. It's then up to the legal system to decide whether or not what occurred was a rape. Whether things like how many drinks she had, whether or not she was completely incapacitated, or how willing she was at the time are relevant is for the courts to decide. But I'm not going to deny that girl her right to file rape charges because you're worried about guys being falsely accused (even though that virtually never happens, statistically).
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Nothing about alcohol at all stops a girl from calling rape. The alcohol is completely incidental to your story.

What would make more sense in any kind of rational discussion (which this isn't) is to determine what would be acceptable evidence of intoxication to CONVICT someone of rape against an intoxicated person who consented (or failed to resist).

But you don't speak rationally or approach situations rationally so I'm sure you'll ignore that.
 
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Whats funny is Tanoomba constantly goes on about how he's a teacher, words matter, etc - then WILDLY misuses words and uses logical fallacies in his posts. And he's an ENGLISH teacher.

Can you tell us where you work so we can make sure our kids don't go there? Fucking idiot.
 
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