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Mist

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Court the affections of an intoxicated lady and you are a rapist.

And you think you are sticking up for us.
EGREGIOUS EQUIVOCATION, -15. Can you seriously get a sentence out without being fallacious? You can't possibly equate 'courting the affections of someone a little drunk' with 'taking advantage of someone too drunk to consent.'
 

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When I drink? I play video games, watch movies and goof off with my buddies. What the fuck is your point?
The point is you are framing drinking as if a guy has a few drinks and suddenly he is flaying his own penis for quarters. You sound like Steve Carrell talking about breasts like bags of sand.
 

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If I pay a drunk guy 50 bucks to chop off his pinky, then yes, I MADE THAT HAPPEN. I was the instigator. I was the driving force. I took advantage of someone's susceptible state to bring about a result I desired. Jesus Christ you guys, it's like you perform Olympic-level logic-dodging just to avoid uncomfortable truths. I get it from Cad. He's a lawyer. It's his job to skirt around the truth and dwell on half-truths or irrelevant tangents in order to reach a desired conclusion. You, on the other hand, must just be an idiot.
I agree with Cad, not because he is a lawyer, but because he like lawyers do, use words on their literal meaning. Something that people have forgotten.If i paid a drunk $50 to chop off his finger, and he goes and chops off his finger, there is nothing criminal about my actions, which part of that dont you understand. Giving money to someone is not compelling or coercing that person. How hard is it for you to understand that. Is it wrong, yes of course is wrong, but wrong does not mean illegal.
Having an affair is wrong, but not illegal. Lying is wrong , but not illegal, (unless you have sworn to tell the truth).
 

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Actually in terms of primates. there is only one group where the women chooses without concecuences.

here are some mating rituals for gorillas

now chimpanzees


And from sexual coersion in wiki
mmm think there was some study on female and male approach to sex from Bonobos.
Bonobo females maintain their matriarchy through their promiscuity and through the formation of female coalitions.
The promiscuity serves two purposes: 1) it keeps the males tired and happy and uninterested in dominating the society (why would they if they're all getting all the sex that males of most other species have to ruthlessly compete for?); and 2) it makes it impossible for any male to know which offspring is his, so he will tolerate them all.
Bonobo males do compete with each other sexually, but not through violence. They compete through sperm competition (huge sperm counts).
Uncertainty of paternity has benefits and costs. As I noted, it prevents competitive infanticide by rival males--something seen in numerous (perhaps most) sexually dimorphic species. Unfortunately, it also means that there is no paternal investment in offspring. As I said in the video, bonobo males do not care for or provide for the juveniles, or for the females. After a successful hunt, a bonobo male will sometimes offer a female some meat in return for immediate sex, with no promise of future provision--basically prostitution in its most overt form. More often, females trade sex with males for foraging rights to good patches of ground--in other words, not for food, but for the opportunity to get food for herself.
The formation of female coalitions is absolutely necessary to maintain the matriarchy--if the females were unable to inflict those "blood-drawing injuries" they would be unable to dominate the society. I find it bizarre that you describe a system where a group will gang up and inflict injuries on an individual as "peaceful", but whatever.
I also think it's bizarre that you missed the entire point of why I brought up the bonobos, our closest primate relatives. Paternal investment on an individual level (monogamy), combined with collective living and sexual egalitarianism (living in groups where all or most members are allowed to reproduce) has been posited by biologists and anthropologists to have provided the safe, secure conditions necessary for advanced neotenization.
Neotenization is what slows down a species' juvenile development, extending the periods between when developmental genes turn on and then off again, which prolongs different periods of development and extends deadlines. This prolongation includes periods of brain development, dontcha know.
What extending those periods does is allow more time, calories and stimulation to contribute to the formation of advanced brain structures that exist in humans, but are truncated in bonobos and other primates compared to our own. If the gene for development of the certain parts of the brain shuts off significantly earlier in bonobos than in humans, there is simply less time for bonobos to build their brains.
The safety of numbers, the cooperation of the collective, the egalitarian nature of "everybody gets to pair up, if they can mange it", and the investment of provisioning and protection of offspring by individual males provided by monogamy and certainty of paternity, is what provided a safer, more secure and plentiful environment for humans than for the endangered bonobo. That is what allowed our ancestors to not have to rush to independent adulthood, to decelerate their juvenile development over time, and become the most intelligent species on earth.
I find it really interesting that you somehow thought I didn't know that bonobos are matriarchal, or got the impression I was arguing that they weren't. My position is not that bonobo society is not matriarchal. My position is that it IS matriarchal, and that its form of social organization is precisely why they aren't as smart as we are.
If you're going to debate me, you should probably choose a point I actually made, instead of beating a straw man and only succeeding in supporting my assertion.
TL;DR: Yes, bonobos are a matriarchal slut culture. That's exactly why their greatest advancement is crude tool use like picking grubs out of rotten trees with sticks, and why THEY aren't the ones who came to dominate the planet, invent the wheel, live in houses, and split the atom.
 

Mist

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wuts going on.
What's going on is these guys are proving the extreme feminists' points for them.

If men are just genetically, biologically and neurologically predisposed to rape (a premise I strongly reject,) then women have absolutely no recourse besides using the apparatus of society to imprison as many potential rapists as possible, and to use the apparatus of education to brainwash and psychologically neuter as many boys and young men as possible. The ideas being promoted in this thread do FAR, FAR more damage to the cause of men than they do to defend them.
 

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EGREGIOUS EQUIVOCATION, -15. Can you seriously get a sentence out without being fallacious? You can't possibly equate 'courting the affections of someone a little drunk' with 'taking advantage of someone too drunk to consent.'
Don't you remember the Ohio case I linked yesterday? Allow me to quote the representative of the local Fem group again

Fick also rejected the notion that the woman's spoken statements and apparent responsiveness mean she was not too drunk to consent."If she was drunk at all, she was too drunk to consent,"she said.
That opinion is not an uncommon one. Courting the affections of an intoxicated lady, no matter how intoxicated, makes a man a rapist. The presence of alcohol renders women incapable of consenting.

Because you are all children.
 

Mist

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mmm think there was some study on female and male approach to sex from Bonobos.
That is not a study. That's a post on reddit. And that conclusion is not even a logical fallacy, it's the fucking Chewbacca is a Wookie defense.

'Bonobos are matriarchal, and that's why they're not as advanced as humans.' No, bonobos are not as advanced as humans because they're bonobos and not humans. They're still pretty fucking advanced compared to 99.XX% of all mammals, and pretty fucking advanced even by primate standards. To say that bonobos are being held back by their matriarchy would be equally as stupid as saying that all the patriarchal non-human species on the planet are being held back by their patriarchy.
 

Mist

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Don't you remember the Ohio case I linked yesterday? Allow me to quote the representative of the local Fem group again



That opinion is not an uncommon one. Courting the affections of an intoxicated lady, no matter how intoxicated, makes a man a rapist. The presence of alcohol renders women incapable of consenting.

Because you are all children.
The person you're quoting is a member of an outside group, not part of the case, not a member of the court, not one of the lawyers. Just some random quoted idiot.
 

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That is not a study. That's a post on reddit. And that conclusion is not even a logical fallacy, it's the fucking Chewbacca is a Wookie defense.
didn't say what i quoted was a study.

To say that bonobos are being held back by their matriarchy would be equally as stupid as saying that all the patriarchal non-human species on the planet are being held back by their patriarchy
every human culture is patriarchal. thanks for playing.
 

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The person you're quoting is a member of an outside group, not part of the case, not a member of the court, not one of the lawyers. Just some random quoted idiot.
She is a representative of an activist group at the University of Ohio. Her views are representative of the current flavor of Neo-Feminism that is going around and has informed much of your own opinions even if you do not realize it.
 

Mist

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didn't say what i quoted was a study.



every human culture is patriarchal. thanks for playing.
Playing what? What're we playing?

First we were talking about bonobos and species of males and primates. Now we're talking about cultures. AND PEOPLE SAY I MOVE THE GOALPOSTS.

Every culture that's had more equal representation of women and more equal rights for women has progressed faster than those that didn't.
 

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Playing what? What're we playing?

First we were talking about bonobos and species of males and primates. Now we're talking about cultures.

Every culture that's had more equal representation of women and more equal rights for women has progressed faster than those that didn't.
that has nothing to do with what i am talking about. please stay on topic.
 

Tanoomba

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I can't really think of any crime thats been committed if you pay a drunk guy to cut off his pinky. Thats perfectly legal as far as I know.
Sure.

But get a guy drunk then make him sign a contract and, boom! Can be undone because the drunk guy was being taken advantage of.
Get a guy drunk and fuck him and, boom! Can be charged with rape because the drunk guy was being taken advantage of.

I repeat, for the third time because nobody actually cares to respond:
When someone is in a susceptible state (ie: drunk), it is significantly easier to convince them to do things they would normally not agree to do. Just because you are aware of this when you drink, it doesn't give the rest of the world carte blanche to take advantage of your state to, for example, get you to sign a contract or, alternatively, to fuck you.
Again, do you disagree? Don't re-word what I said. Don't go off on an irrelevant tangent. Do you disagree that getting drunk doesn't give the world carte blanche to take advantage of you to sign a contract or fuck you?

The point is you are framing drinking as if a guy has a few drinks and suddenly he is flaying his own penis for quarters. You sound like Steve Carrell talking about breasts like bags of sand.
So who gets to decide where to draw the line? You? PEOPLE WHO ARE DRUNK ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO COERCION. That doesn't mean a drunk guy will "flay his own penis for quarters", but it DOES mean that people can take advantage of a drunk person to get what they want. As a civilized and reasonable species, we have to make sure this is not exploited to the point where it can have a serious effect on someone's health or well-being. Luckily, we ARE doing that.

I'm just telling you how it is. Right now. You're huffing and hawing and saying "It shouldn't be like this!" Guess what, fuckers: it IS. After all the flak I take for being "naive" and talking about idealistic scenarios, you guys are pretty stuck on the concept of a world where any guy can fuck any drunk girl and never have to face any consequences. Of all the fantasy versions of the world you could imagine,thisis the one you choose to champion? For shame.
 

Tanoomba

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She is a representative of an activist group at the University of Ohio. Her views are representative of the current flavor of Neo-Feminism that is going around and has informed much of your own opinions even if you do not realize it.
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How do those words feel coming out of your ass? Are they warm? Do they burble?
 

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Again, you are misusing the word "coercion". Again, you are stating "taking advantage of" as if that were a thing that was against the law. Luckily, you are also wrong, and it is NOT like this. There is no state prosecuting guys for picking up drunk chicks at the bar for consensual sex as rape. As with just about everything else, you take one pseudo-point and stretch it to unfathomable lengths, making yourself appear ridiculous.
 

Mist

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She is a representative of an activist group at the University of Ohio. Her views are representative of the current flavor of Neo-Feminism that is going around and has informed much of your own opinions even if you do not realize it.
There's drunk, there's too drunk, and there's too drunk to fuck. If she's too drunk to fuck, don't fuck her. If she's just too drunk, and you think she might turn into a psych bitch the next morning and cry rape, don't fuck her.

How hard is this? Do you not have control over your actions?

If you're such an opportunist that you'd take advantage of someone in a compromised state, don't be surprised when they're an opportunist in return and take the opportunity to ruin your life.
 

Tanoomba

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didn't say what i quoted was a study.
every human culture is patriarchal. thanks for playing.
that has nothing to do with what i am talking about. please stay on topic.
It isn't random and unconnected/unsupported just because you say it is. Sorry.
Jesus Christ. I know English is not your first language so I try to cut you some slack (I'm a language teacher, after all, and I'd still be happy to offer you a discount on online English lessons), but holy shit. Ho-leeeee shit.
Maybe you should participate in a thread about recipes or Spongebob or mildew removal or something. You know, to get some concept of how exchanging ideas works. Maybe after some practice you can work up to an argument or debate scenario... the "best Star Wars character" or something. Until then, your ridiculous jibberish is beyond meaningless and, frankly, embarrassing.

Oh, I forgot...TROLLface.

My bad. Carry on.
 

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There's drunk, there's too drunk, and there's too drunk to fuck. If she's too drunk to fuck, don't fuck her. If she's just too drunk, and you think she might turn into a psych bitch the next morning and cry rape, don't fuck her.

How hard is this? Do you not have control over your actions?

If you're such an opportunist that you'd take advantage of someone in a compromised state, don't be surprised when they're an opportunist in return and take the opportunity to ruin your life.
being an opportunist isn't illegal. thanks for playing.