Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...

I would have been expelled for sure for some of the dumb shit I did in grade school were I student now instead of then. All it would have taken would have been getting caught with one picture I'd drawn of a lactating boob monster and I'd have been out the door.

Thinking about it I was a very strange kid.

Mist_sl said:

There's even more male teachers now..

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I was in a teacher's education program for a while in school and was told numerous times that less and less men were choosing to become teachers and that they are leaving the profession in droves. I don't have any stats or anything but I've never heard good things regarding trends and male teachers.

He self-identifies as a hermaphroditic dragonkin. How dare you insinuate he's male.

I seriously question your knowledge of societal employment trends going back to the 1800s.

I also really doubt that it's the economy's fault that there are less male teachers.

Mist_sl said:

It's definitely the economy. Teacher pay keeps getting cut thanks to state-level austerity measures. Men will take their chances in competitive markets instead under those conditions.

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Dan Brown: Why So Few Male Teachers Today? Does it Matter?

According to statistics recently released by the National Education Association (NEA), men comprised just 24.4 percent of the total number of teachers in 2006. In fact, the number of male public school teachers in the U.S. has hit a record 40-year low.

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Historically, a majority of teachers were male until the 1880s, when women pushed for their own education and the opportunity to teach. In the 1930s, after the stock market crashed, a big surge of men returned to education, as they did after World War II, says Nelson. "In tough economic times, men looking for work returned to education," since there were always teaching jobs available, he says.

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I think you seriously underestimate how hostile things have been getting for your male counterparts.

That can't be right, that's like the exact opposite of what Mist said.

You mean we hit a 40 year low the year before the economy went to shit? 2006?

Wait, what else did Mist say? 150 years ago there were less male teachers than now. So in 1864 it was female dominated. Wait, fuck. That is also not true. Well fuck.

edit - aw shit son, no you didn't

NEA - Rankings of the States 2012 and Estimates of School Statistics 2013

Males comprised 23.9 percent of U.S. public school teachers in 2012

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Remember that was 24.4 in 2006 so the trend is still less and less men. So it's more like a 46 year low.

You said a bunch of wrong shit. It's how things go sometimes.

And it's not a 40 year low. It's at least 46 year low. There was a further decline from 2006 to 2012.

Mist_sl said:

There's even more male teachers now.

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Wat? (Source Profile of Teachers; but it's ripped from the U.S. abstract/BLS--I just didn't want to dig through there to get the numbers. However, as you said, aside from a jolt from 30's to the 50's, it's been declining for a long time now.)



Granted, there's "more of" a parity (I think 60 female 40 male) in secondary; but that's still down from 30 years ago--and it mainly comes from STEM field teachers (When we toss in college teachers, I think it creeps back up to 25%). But in education as a whole? Male teachers have been on the decline; unless there is a new trend in the last 5 years or so? Heck, Canada and Britain, and even parts of the U.S. have found areas where children are likely to never see a male teacher until high school; because entire teaching staffs at the elementary level are female (While there are some males at the administration level). Kind of scary when you think about it, and it's sad that, I believe, statistically, right after economics (Most men go for admin positions) the next biggest reason for "not seeing yourself in K-12 education" was fear of harassment claims.

I remember this one article; I haven't done more research on it so it might be bogus, from the BBC talking about "dead zones" for males in Britain. Essentially these areas have extremely high rates of single mothers and no male primary education teachers--so many kids won't actually have a male presence anywhere in their life for their formative years.

One thing I am curious about are those schools which have once again allowed "full contact" recesses and the like; supposedly they've seen large drops in ADHD behavior, and bullying ect. I don't know if that's BS, it's probably just weak correlation...But wouldn't it be fascinating if someone could build inference off that? Imagine if our ADHD epidemic was caused by pussyfying schools, and being "toxic" to boys; would be hilarious. I'm not sure if I buy it, but I'd love to research done on it.