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Loser Araysar

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Maybe American women are generally just less interested in a career in politics for cultural reasons?
American women are more interested in tearing other women down than succeeding together as a gender.

This is essentially why I will never marry an American woman, and only use them for sex.

If I wanted a wife, I'd go back to the motherland to find one.
 

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American women are more interested in tearing other women down than succeeding together as a gender.

This is essentially why I will never marry an American woman, and only use them for sex.

If I wanted a wife, I'd go back to the motherland to find one.
Is this what is stopping you from going full Tranny? Explains some things
 

Ignatius

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From what's he's described of himself, I think Brosar would make for a great tranny. Someone should make a poll.
 

Mist

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Nearly all those democracies have quota systems at the party level which dictate x% of women either running OR seated in the house (Depending on the Rep system); thesoleexception being Denmark (Which is an amazing anomaly and should be your case point, if this is the argument you're making). This COULD be, as you said, due to financing laws preventing the cabal of white males from controlling the parties and so these rock star progressive added quotas...Or it could be because in those countries, their representation, or election (Non-FPP), system makes it so parties often have to bend to marginalized power brokers; in order to avert dead locks. So small feminist factions have much more power, and quotas are a quick way to appease them.

Neitherof these answers work universally, because Europe has a pretty broad range of finance, election AND rep (Well, all parliaments but other variables) systems. However, I'd definitely lean more on "different types of democracy" theory more than the "cabal of white males controlling things"--for one reason; because money owns the politicians that it elects, if women could win the vote, those "white males" that control the parties would place women in there without a second thought (Yes, this is my opinion, take it how you will). There is no way these guys are going to risk their power because someone has a vagina; if the polls said X woman would do better, she'd be in, in a flash--and then she'd do whatever those "males" (Corporations) wanted, just like the men do.

Anyway though--within Europe, Only really in the Scandinavian countries were women making strides before quotas came into play; but even then, if I'm remembering right, they were still only hovering around 25-30% (The U.S. is about 20%?) The reality is, the Europeans have always been a lot less scared of "tempering" Democracy with rules that might limit choice (Limits a poor word, but this is already long) but make it functionally more efficient. The U.S. is pretty paralyzed in that regard, because we think even common sense changes will be the return of King George or something, meh. But for the most part, as Seb said, correlation does not equal causation. You can make the argument that campaign finance prevented white men from keeping control, and thus allowed quotas to be instituted. But you could just as easily make the argument that finance had nothing to do with it, and the "puppet masters" decided to toss in quotas because their election systems are so radically different that a confluence of factors made quotas an appealing choice.
You just tried to obscure my theory by proposing a bunch of competing ones, rather than attempting to disprove my own theory.
 

Loser Araysar

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Because your theory has no merit, it doesnt even need to be disproved. There was nothing offered as to why it should even be considered, not a shred of evidence, not a single item of proof.
 

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You don't have a theory. You have a guess that you haven't even attempted to substantiate. If I'm obligated to disprove your guess, aren't you obligated to disprove mine?
 

Sebudai

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Furthermore, I'm intentionally "obscuring" your guess with other potential guesses. Maybe if someone had done the same for gender studies we wouldn't be treating other guesses like 'privilege' and 'rape culture' as though they were scientific fucking laws.
 

Loser Araysar

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At this point you might as well post tits or GTFO.
 

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You just tried to obscure my theory by proposing a bunch of competing ones, rather than attempting to disprove my own theory.
You make correlations, and then you make theories to explain those correlations. Other people thenattack your theories and propose their own.
Here is my attack (On your theory) and segue into why the secondary theory seems a lot more defensible to me.

However, I'd definitely lean more on "different types of democracy" theory more than the "cabal of white males controlling things"--for one reason; because money owns the politicians that it elects, if women could win the vote, those "white males" that control the parties would place women in there without a second thought (Yes, this is my opinion, take it how you will). There is no way these guys are going to risk their power because someone has a vagina; if the polls said X woman would do better, she'd be in, in a flash--and then she'd do whatever those "males" (Corporations) wanted, just like the men do.

Notice, I'm admonishing your theory because of your naive world view that extremely wealthy and powerful men care whether their puppets have vaginas. Rather, I propose the reason more women get elected in European countries is due to quotas;notbecause voters would choose them on their own (And I can actually provide evidence of party quotas in almost all those countries! Quotasproject.org). And I propose that thosequotascame about because in those countries, due to many differences in how theirrep and election systems work--marginalized groups, like the few women dogged enough to win seats, can be required for legislative coalitions; and therefore the parties enact quota systems to either absorb them, or keep them from legislative dead lock (Unlike a FPP system, which the marginalized group is largely ignored because the only "dead lock" they cause is a poison pill to sympathetic parties)

I thought I explained it pretty well without being a prick; but hopefully this expounds the core parts. But TLDR, I was offering other credible inferences on why there are more women in those countries that don't rely on a repressive cabal of white men who hate vaginas (I have no doubt there is a group of wealthy white men tossing out money; I just don't think they give a fuck. Power>Sexism, and they can control women as well as men--example, Thatcher, oh noes an anecdote!) Because I wanted illustrate 1.) How silly it sounds. 2.) Correlation does not equal causation, and there are TONS of other reasons for more women in those countries that don't rely on the cabal of vagina hating white men.

(Edit: Please don't think 'Vagina hating white men" is a straw man. I'm obviously exaggerating a little..)
 

Mist

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Maybe the cabal of vagina haters thinks vaginas are inherently harder to control with monetary puppet strings.

I don't know. All I know is that there's a strong correlation with how fucked up our democracy is, and how few women are involved in leading it.
 

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I'm not sure why you guys are even still bothering. Between today and yesterday it's clear as crystal that Mist's reasoning all comes from whatfeelsright and not from evidence, logical reasoning, or evidence.

And that's really the whole thing. You construct a narrative around a made up concept like "patriarchy" and as long as itfeelsright that's enough. It's the same place all this privilege shit comes from. What's easier? To admit that the food you love very much to eat is bad for you and that you are eating too much and not taking care of yourself (your situation is your fault) or that the people who don't eat 3000 calories a day every day have some sort of magical advantage and everything is really outside of your own control? That you aren't to blame for your own actions?

Everything that's wrong with the world right now? It's the fault of men! Specifically white men (white as defined by skin tone, not geography or ethnicity or history)! Doesn't that justfeelright? And you know what, those chumps will take it. They'll been taught their whole lives to accept blame and to internalize their own disposability.

So give up. All you can do is make Mist feel cornered and under attack for being a girl when Tanoomba has been treated an order of magnitude worse.
 

Mist

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I'm not sure why you guys are even still bothering. Between today and yesterday it's clear as crystal that Mist's reasoning all comes from whatfeelsright and not from evidence, logical reasoning, or evidence.

And that's really the whole thing. You construct a narrative around a made up concept like "patriarchy" and as long as itfeelsright that's enough. It's the same place all this privilege shit comes from. What's easier? To admit that the food you love very much to eat is bad for you and that you are eating too much and not taking care of yourself (your situation is your fault) or that the people who don't eat 3000 calories a day every day have some sort of magical advantage and everything is really outside of your own control? That you aren't to blame for your own actions?

Everything that's wrong with the world right now? It's the fault of men! Specifically white men (white as defined by skin tone, not geography or ethnicity or history)! Doesn't that justfeelright? And you know what, those chumps will take it. They'll been taught their whole lives to accept blame and to internalize their own disposability.

So give up. All you can do is make Mist feel cornered and under attack for being a girl when Tanoomba has been treated an order of magnitude worse.
Are you seriously trying to say that American democracy ISN'T completely fucked up? I don't know how much more evidence you need. Even if it doesn't specifically oppress women, I personally think it does, it still hurts everyone.

If we fixed the problem, EVERYONE would be better off.
 

Loser Araysar

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Again, no one is arguing that. What we are arguing is your unsubstantiated claim that this is the sole reason for female under representation.

Stop using female logic. This is why no one votes for you
 

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You get on that path by doing things like reversing Citizen's United, reinstating Glass Steagall, breaking up the banks that have become both Too Big to FailandTo Big to Jail, and if I'm really pie in the sky dreaming implement term limits on members of the House and Senate.

Your plan is more women and then something something democracy. I just don't see what more women does. I voted for the first openly gay Senator ever. I'd marry Elizabeth Warren if I wasn't detrimental to her presidential aspirations. You give me reasonable female options and I'll vote for them but "more women" isn't a fucking plan.
 

Mist

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Again, no one is arguing that. What we are arguing is your unsubstantiated claim that this is the sole reason for female under representation.

Stop using female logic. This is why no one votes for you
I'm still waiting for your Cuntiness By Nationality graph.
 

Mist

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You get on that path by doing things like reversing Citizen's United, reinstating Glass Steagall, breaking up the banks that have become both Too Big to FailandTo Big to Jail, and if I'm really pie in the sky dreaming implement term limits on members of the House and Senate.

Your plan is more women and then something something democracy. I just don't see what more women does. I voted for the first openly gay Senator ever. I'd marry Elizabeth Warren if I wasn't detrimental to her presidential aspirations. You give me reasonable female options and I'll vote for them but "more women" isn't a fucking plan.
I didn't just say more women. I said more women that women actually want to vote for, rather than women that make women want to vomit like Sarah fucking Palin.

But Sarah Palin is what the cabal of vagina/freedom/whatever haters want. Ignorant whores who are easy to control with money.

The vagina haters don't actually hate vaginas, they love vaginas as long as they're attached to prostitutes. And that's what the Sarah Palins of the world are.
 

Loser Araysar

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You get on that path by doing things like reversing Citizen's United, reinstating Glass Steagall, breaking up the banks that have become both Too Big to FailandTo Big to Jail, and if I'm really pie in the sky dreaming implement term limits on members of the House and Senate.

Your plan is more women and then something something democracy. I just don't see what more women does. I voted for the first openly gay Senator ever. I'd marry Elizabeth Warren if I wasn't detrimental to her presidential aspirations. You give me reasonable female options and I'll vote for them but "more women" isn't a fucking plan.
Yeah, I dont understand what more women is supposed to accomplish. An end to the mythical "patriarchy"?

There's plenty who are just fine with the status quo, like Palin.