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Sebudai

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The evidence exists. It's called every other functioning western democracy. In every other country where real limits on campaign donations/spending exists, both by law and by custom, women hold far higher percentages of elected offices.
Correlation is not causation. You could be right or you could be wrong. Determining causation takes more effort than just pointing to a country with higher representation and arbitrarily picking a characteristic of that country as the cause.
 

Loser Araysar

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As a matter of fact, all these countries below have a higher proportion of women in their national legislature than United States. Even the United Arab Emirates which only last year allowed women to start driving police cars.

1 Rwanda 9 2008 80 45 56.3% 10 2003 26 9 34.6%
2 Sweden 9 2006 349 164 47.0% --- --- --- ---
3 Cuba 1 2008 614 265 43.2% --- --- --- ---
4 Finland 3 2007 200 83 41.5% --- --- --- ---
5 Netherlands 11 2006 150 62 41.3% 5 2007 75 26 34.7%
6 Argentina 10 2007 255 102 40.0% 10 2007 72 28 38.9%
7 Denmark 11 2007 179 68 38.0% --- --- --- ---
8 Angola 9 2008 220 82 37.3% --- --- --- ---
9 Costa Rica 2 2006 57 21 36.8% --- --- --- ---
10 Spain 3 2008 350 127 36.3% 3 2008 263 79 30.0%
11 Norway 9 2005 169 61 36.1% --- --- --- ---
12 Belgium 6 2007 150 53 35.3% 6 2007 71 27 38.0%
13 Mozambique 12 2004 250 87 34.8% --- --- --- ---
14 New Zealand 11 2008 122 41 33.6% --- --- --- ---
15 Iceland 5 2007 63 21 33.3% --- --- --- ---
16 Nepal 4 2008 594 197 33.2% --- --- --- ---
17 South Africa 1 4 2004 400 132 33.0% 4 2004 54 22 40.7%
18 Germany 9 2005 612 197 32.2% N.A. 69 15 21.7%
19 Belarus 9 2008 110 35 31.8% 7 2008 56 19 33.9%
20 The F.Y.R. of Macedonia 6 2008 120 38 31.7% --- --- --- ---
21 Uganda 2 2006 332 102 30.7% --- --- --- ---
22 Burundi 7 2005 118 36 30.5% 7 2005 49 17 34.7%
23 United Republic of Tanzania 12 2005 319 97 30.4% --- --- --- ---
24 Guyana 8 2006 70 21 30.0% --- --- --- ---
25 Peru 4 2006 120 35 29.2% --- --- --- ---
" Timor-Leste 6 2007 65 19 29.2% --- --- --- ---
26 Switzerland 10 2007 200 57 28.5% 10 2007 46 10 21.7%
27 Portugal 2 2005 230 65 28.3% --- --- --- ---
28 Afghanistan 9 2005 242 67 27.7% 9 2005 102 22 21.6%
29 Austria 9 2008 183 50 27.3% N.A. 61 15 24.6%
30 Namibia 11 2004 78 21 26.9% 11 2004 26 7 26.9%
31 Trinidad and Tobago 11 2007 41 11 26.8% 12 2007 31 13 41.9%
32 Australia 11 2007 150 40 26.7% 11 2007 76 27 35.5%
33 Viet Nam 5 2007 493 127 25.8% --- --- --- ---
34 Kyrgyzstan 12 2007 90 23 25.6% --- --- --- ---
35 Iraq 12 2005 275 70 25.5% --- --- --- ---
" Suriname 5 2005 51 13 25.5% --- --- --- ---
36 Lao People's Democratic Republic 4 2006 115 29 25.2% --- --- --- ---
37 Andorra 4 2005 28 7 25.0% --- --- --- ---
" Ecuador 10 2006 100 25 25.0% --- --- --- ---
" Lesotho 2 2007 120 30 25.0% 3 2007 31 9 29.0%
" Monaco 2 2008 24 6 25.0% --- --- --- ---
38 Singapore 5 2006 94 23 24.5% --- --- --- ---
39 Liechtenstein 3 2005 25 6 24.0% --- --- --- ---
40 Seychelles 5 2007 34 8 23.5% --- --- --- ---
41 Honduras 11 2005 128 30 23.4% --- --- --- ---
42 Luxembourg 6 2004 60 14 23.3% --- --- --- ---
43 Mexico 7 2006 500 116 23.2% 7 2006 128 23 18.0%
44 Tunisia 10 2004 189 43 22.8% 8 2008 112 17 15.2%
45 Pakistan 2 2008 338 76 22.5% 3 2006 100 17 17.0%
" United Arab Emirates 12 2006 40 9 22.5% --- --- --- ---
46 Canada 10 2008 308 68 22.1% N.A. 93 32 34.4%
" Mauritania 11 2006 95 21 22.1% 1 2007 56 9 16.1%
47 Eritrea 2 1994 150 33 22.0% --- --- --- ---
" Senegal 6 2007 150 33 22.0% 8 2007 100 40 40.0%
48 Ethiopia 5 2005 529 116 21.9% 10 2005 112 21 18.8%
49 Republic of Moldova 3 2005 101 22 21.8% --- --- --- ---
50 Bulgaria 6 2005 240 52 21.7% --- --- --- ---
51 Serbia 5 2008 250 54 21.6% --- --- --- ---
52 China 3 2008 2987 637 21.3% --- --- --- ---
" Italy 4 2008 630 134 21.3% 4 2008 322 58 18.0%
53 Croatia 11 2007 153 32 20.9% --- --- --- ---
54 Estonia 3 2007 101 21 20.8% --- --- --- ---
55 Philippines 5 2007 239 49 20.5% 5 2007 23 4 17.4%
56 Poland 10 2007 460 93 20.2% 10 2007 100 8 8.0%
57 Democratic People's Republic of Korea 8 2003 687 138 20.1% --- --- --- ---
58 Latvia 10 2006 100 20 20.0% --- --- --- ---
59 Dominican Republic 5 2006 178 35 19.7% 5 2006 32 1 3.1%
60 United Kingdom 5 2005 646 126 19.5% N.A. 746 147 19.7%
61 Guinea 6 2002 114 22 19.3% --- --- --- ---
" Slovakia 6 2006 150 29 19.3% --- --- --- ---
62 Dominica 5 2005 32 6 18.8% --- --- --- ---
63 Venezuela 12 2005 167 31 18.6% --- --- --- ---
64 Nicaragua 11 2006 92 17 18.5% --- --- --- ---
65 France 6 2007 577 105 18.2% 9 2008 343 75 21.9%
" Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 12 2005 22 4 18.2% --- --- --- ---
66 Cape Verde 1 2006 72 13 18.1% --- --- --- ---
" Sudan 8 2005 443 80 18.1% 8 2005 50 3 6.0%
67 Lithuania 10 2008 141 25 17.7% --- --- --- ---
68 Tajikistan 2 2005 63 11 17.5% 3 2005 34 8 23.5%
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Mist

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Correlation is not causation. You could be right or you could be wrong. Determining causation takes more effort than just pointing to a country with higher representation and arbitrarily picking a characteristic of that country as the cause.
It's not arbitrary. The US's campaign finance system is the most rigged in the world, and we're WAY down the list on representation of women, damn near the bottom.
 

Loser Araysar

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We're not talking about Rwanda. Rwanda has basically a one-party government. But it is the least corrupt African government by most measures.

But stop trolling. I specifically said modern western democracies.
Really? Rwanda has 1 party? Rwanda's Lower House is comprised of 10 parties right now, 7 of whom have united to form a coalition government.

But the real question is why you are so fixated on Western democracies when a third of countries in the world, most of therm backward shitholes, elect more women than US?
 

Lejina

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57 Democratic People's Republic of Korea 8 2003 687 138 20.1%

Pretty sure their elections are more rigged than USA and they have more women in the legislature.

I guess you will have to look for something else for the causation.
 

Sebudai

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It's not arbitrary. The US's campaign finance system is the most rigged in the world, and we're WAY down the list on representation of women, damn near the bottom.
You've successfully found a correlation between two things. And I have a rock that keeps tigers away.

I'm not disagreeing with you about how shitty our campaign finance system is. It's like my #1 pet political issue.
 

Loser Araysar

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It's not arbitrary. The US's campaign finance system is the most rigged in the world, and we're WAY down the list on representation of women, damn near the bottom.
Its totally arbitrary. Provide proof that the campaign finance system is the cause of female under-representation in US politics. You keep asserting it as fact with nothing to back it up. Compared to you, I have provided reams of evidence and statistics disproving your claims.
 

Mist

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57 Democratic People's Republic of Korea 8 2003 687 138 20.1%

Pretty sure their elections are more rigged than USA and they have more women in the legislature.

I guess you will have to look for something else for the causation.
That's not a real democracy. Don't let the name fool you.

I'm specifically talking about comparing progressive western democracies. Everything else is apples to oranges.
 

Sebudai

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It's all apples to oranges. The U.S. electoral system is barely similar to most other western democracies, and the differences are far more numerous than just campaign finance rules.
 

Loser Araysar

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That's not a real democracy. Don't let the name fool you.

I'm specifically talking about comparing progressive western democracies. Everything else is apples to oranges.
Provide proof that the campaign finance system is the cause of female under-representation in US politics. Stop dodging me and just repeating the same unsubstantiated claim over and over.
 

Mist

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Provide proof that the campaign finance system is the cause of female under-representation in US politics. Stop dodging me and just repeating the same unsubstantiated claim over and over.
DO YOU EVEN SCIENCE?

It's impossible to provide 'proof.'

You make correlations, and then you make theories to explain those correlations. Other people then attack your theories and propose their own.

So far, my theory is that white men control the campaign finance system, which controls who gets to run, and they choose either men, or female candidates that women don't want to vote for.

Your theory is that American women are just more cunty towards other women than in other countries.

Which theory is more defensible?
 

Sebudai

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Maybe American women are generally just less interested in a career in politics for cultural reasons?
 

Lithose

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The evidence exists. It's called every other functioning western democracy. In every other country where real limits on campaign donations/spending exists, both by law and by custom, women hold far higher percentages of elected offices.
Nearly all those democracies have quota systems at the party level which dictate x% of women either running OR seated in the house (Depending on the Rep system); thesoleexception being Denmark (Which is an amazing anomaly and should be your case point, if this is the argument you're making). This COULD be, as you said, due to financing laws preventing the cabal of white males from controlling the parties and so these rock star progressive added quotas...Or it could be because in those countries, their representation, or election (Non-FPP), system makes it so parties often have to bend to marginalized power brokers; in order to avert dead locks. So small feminist factions have much more power, and quotas are a quick way to appease them.

Neitherof these answers work universally, because Europe has a pretty broad range of finance, election AND rep (Well, all parliaments but other variables) systems. However, I'd definitely lean more on "different types of democracy" theory more than the "cabal of white males controlling things"--for one reason; because money owns the politicians that it elects, if women could win the vote, those "white males" that control the parties would place women in there without a second thought (Yes, this is my opinion, take it how you will). There is no way these guys are going to risk their power because someone has a vagina; if the polls said X woman would do better, she'd be in, in a flash--and then she'd do whatever those "males" (Corporations) wanted, just like the men do.

Anyway though--within Europe, Only really in the Scandinavian countries were women making strides before quotas came into play; but even then, if I'm remembering right, they were still only hovering around 25-30% (The U.S. is about 20%?) The reality is, the Europeans have always been a lot less scared of "tempering" Democracy with rules that might limit choice (Limits a poor word, but this is already long) but make it functionally more efficient. The U.S. is pretty paralyzed in that regard, because we think even common sense changes will be the return of King George or something, meh. But for the most part, as Seb said, correlation does not equal causation. You can make the argument that campaign finance prevented white men from keeping control, and thus allowed quotas to be instituted. But you could just as easily make the argument that finance had nothing to do with it, and the "puppet masters" decided to toss in quotas because their election systems are so radically different that a confluence of factors made quotas an appealing choice.
 

Loser Araysar

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DO YOU EVEN SCIENCE?

It's impossible to provide 'proof.'

You make correlations, and then you make theories to explain those correlations. Other people then attack your theories and propose their own.

So far, my theory is that white men control the campaign finance system, which controls who gets to run, and they choose either men, or female candidates that women don't want to vote for.

Your theory is that American women are just more cunty towards other women than in other countries.

Which theory is more defensible?
Here's an American woman writing on why women dont vote for other women. Nowhere is campaign finance mentioned

Why Women Don??Tt Vote for Women - The Daily Beast
 

Sledge

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Who's getting exploited harder? Men who slave for the corporations, or women who do the same slave jobs for 8%-23% less depending which statistic you want to use? I prefer the closer to 8% statistic, but an 8% tax on your pay just because you're a chick still sucks.
Women get far.....far more paid days off as a whole. They also miss far more days of work as well.