Casual Rerolled WoW guild - Hyjal Horde

TecKnoe_sl said:

Is the mana gain that much better with PW:S vorph? ive been using the mindbender talent~

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Mindbender - Trivial content in which mana is not an issue at all, or content that is so healing-intensive that you literally cannot spare a GCD every 10 seconds to cast PW:Sol.

PW:Sol - Everything in between those two extremes.

(Note that in the trivial case Mindbender is only better than PW:Sol if you're still casting Holy Fire on cooldown. It's got nothing to do with mana or healing, just adding some dps to the raid. You'd fill empty GCDs with SW and Smite in that situation too.)

Also, when forced to play Holy because there's already a Disc in the raid, I choose Surge of Light on that tier. Mindbender is something I pretty much only use in heroics or when soloing old raids.

Elsebet_sl said:

My Holy Paladin feels clunky and I am almost always behind the Disc Priest/Resto Druid. Looking forward to this week's Friday normal to see if I do any better, but if any Paladin healers have some advice I'm all ears. I don't have the Rerolled logs link at work to post, and honestly that was my first time Paladin healing so I was making a lot of mistakes.

I use Holy Shock as much as possible on cooldown to build Holy Power. For tanks I use Holy Light (slow, cheap heal) mostly, and Flash of Light on raid members.
I keep Sacred Shield up on both tanks and usually myself or when I remember someone taking damage.
Beacon of Light/Faith on both tanks.
I spend my 5 Holy Power on Light of Dawn - one question, should I hold my Holy Power and wait for damage or spend it as prevention (from Illuminated Healing)?
I just changed to Holy Prism this week, and in last night's LFR that was my #4 heal overall. I had Execution Sentence before.
All of my enchants are +crit, Spirit on weapon, and I use the Intellect Flask. I don't have mana issues normally unless I use Holy Radiance too much.
When there is a lot of group damage I use Holy Radiance but I don't think I apply this well since I use Grid2 and it doesn't have the VuhDo cluster feature. I might try VuhDo just for that reason.

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You really want to try and avoid AoE healing outside of Holy Prism. It's mana intensive and doesn't provide much return. I also prefer EF to SS but one of the best paladin healers I know uses SS so it's mostly preference.

It's mostly a whole lot of Holy Shock and Holy Light. I like to to start fights with 5 holy power (just holy shock yourself or someone else while waiting) and then right before the pull I cast a Holy Radiance so that I can get several people a shield right at the start of the fight. After that I keep 3HP EFs up on tanks and cast holy light on them as needed. Don't really worry about overhealing with Holy Light because it will shield as well so it can be used as a preventative.The goal is to not use Flash of Light at all, but if tanks are taking sustained damage and I don't have cooldowns available I will use it. Try to use Hand of Sacrifice (if you've glyphed for it) on someone who need to mitigate a big burst of damage - usually the tanks, but may be dps depending on the fight. If I know tanks will need heavy heals, I glyph with flash of light since it will save some mana. You can also take the beacon glyph to remove the cooldown and put it on non-tanks during special mechanics that will deal them a lot of damage.

Holy Prism is actually one of the biggest heals you have. 90% of the time you will target the boss (or add focus) and hit them with it which will produce a powerful aoe heal on the raid. If, AOE damage is not bad you can elect to use it as a single target heal on the tank - it will do aoe damage in this case. HP is kind of like your CDs, you don't really want to sit on it for extended periods of time, but blowing it on cooldown isn't necessarily advisable either. You mostly want to line it up with raid aoe damage so that it does not get wasted on overheals.

If I need to AoE heal I try to rely on Prism first, then 3 holy power Light of Dawn and finally Holy Radiance if we're stacked. Usually if you are not running like a 3 pally healing comp, you don't really want to focus on AoE healing. Try to focus on the tanks and if you need to help delay EF's in favor of Light of Dawn casts.

anyone that uses recount, have a list of settings to filter out all the garbage? also can I see Heals per second on the chart? all I see Is healing done.

Skada >>>>>>>>>>> Recount

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Vorph_sl said:

Skada >>>>>>>>>>> Recount

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I run both. They are pretty even most of the time, but there are times where Skada will be wrong and you can tell just by glancing at it and vice versa for Recount. Though, its probably not the best advice for people with older computers / low memory.

whast the big difference from skada > recount? didn't even see skada on the most downloads or w/e

TecKnoe_sl said:

whast the big difference from skada > recount? didn't even see skada on the most downloads or w/e

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The two differ in how they calculate, one is based on the duration of combat, and the other is based on duration of activity.
Neither is right or wrong, just different.

I've never seen Skada not mirror what WCL says when I post my logs, aside from a brief period of time when WCL itself was broken. I believe the main source of discrepancies between Skada and Recount numbers are due to Skada (and WCL) preferring DPS[elapsed] and Recount preferring DPS[active].

Recount also had a bug with its raid syncing that caused people to get their chat box spammed to hell with player not found messages. Not sure if they finally fixed it, but I saw people asking how to get rid of the spam throughout all of Dec and Jan.

Daidraco_sl said:

The two differ in how they calculate, one is based on the duration of combat, and the other is based on duration of activity.
Neither is right or wrong, just different.

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I disagree with this. Duration of activity is a pointless measure of DPS and HPS, and it's not just Skada that does it differently, it's also websites like WCL and AMR. They will show you your DPS(a) but everything is ranked by DPS(e). All DPS(a) really does is make the people who stand in fire and die early not look so bad.

does skada show heals per second? im assuming the number next to my total healing is the HPS but not sure, says im around 25k.

Yes, the Healing meter in Skada is shown as "HPS (Total Healing Done)" over the entire duration of a fight.

Edit: I wouldn't put much stock in heal meters anyway. For anything more in-depth than, "Uhhhhh, this dude is doing 14k HPS in heroic BRF.... wtf?" you need to look at logs.

alright cool ill check out skada, not worried about how memory / hardware intense it is, should be fine.

DBL POST sorry

Skada doesn't use much RAM or CPU, as long as you set it to discard all non-boss segments. He was talking about running both meters at the same time being intensive.

Stupid thing about Skada is if someone dies their DPS continues to calculate. But fuck them for dying anyway, right?

I've been using it lately because recount always takes fucking forever to update its boss segmentation. It thinks everything is a trash pull.

So we have this hunter who is crushing me in CPM by as much as ~20%. And I'm wondering what I can even do to change that other than mash buttons with more fury because our simC is the same but he'll beat me by up to like 4k dps routinely in the same spec. (and get like, 97th percentile... I can't help that he's a goddamn robot) It's humbling, but I don't know what I can change. Pay less attention to shot priority so I never stop casting, I guess?

It may just be I haven't played with focusing shot enough so I get a little lost sometimes. (oops, started a fs when I knew I would need to move. oops, started a fs at 50 focus. oops, fs on a mob that died before it finished, etc)

Kreugen the fuckin casual

I think I'm hitting my skill ceiling, heh. But I don't get hit by stupid shit and I'm still top 5 every fight so if this one jesus hunter would chill out I'd still look good.

Maybe I should main the rogue. You can read a book and not miss anything.

Kruegen, what is CPM? And one thing to investigate is iLVL and then specific equipment. I womped on tanks hard a few weeks ago because I had three 3/3 crafted pieces which was substantially better itemized than HM. And once you're pursuing 95+ percentile, even minor changes in latency can matter a great deal.

Noodlemod_sl said:

Dude said his wife's mucus plug dropped but he had a few hours probably so he was still grinding out heroics and shit!

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The mucus plug dropping means things can happen anytime from right now to 7 days. It's not like her water broke.

CPM = Casts per Minute.

Kreugen:Warcraft Logs - Combat Analysis for WarcraftandWarcraft Logs - Combat Analysis for Warcraftseem to be the main source of the gap between him and you. He gets off about twice as many Arcane Shots as you do, which is a combination of TotH luck, consuming TotH procs faster when they pop so they aren't overwritten, and raw focus gain from Focusing Shot.

Another small part of the gap on that particular fight is he maintains ~90% uptime on Serpent Sting on Oregorger, so he's refreshing it while running around killing boxes whenever the boss is in range.