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meStevo_sl said:

I actually hate a lot of the new stuff. I can't read Wolverine and the X-Men becuse I've never liked any 'it's the kid segment of the main team(s)' that the X-Men and Avengers periodically cycle through. Also can't stand the art in much of that series. I feel like I haven't been happy with any 'new' mutants from the lights through now (gold balls? time bubbles? at least the healer is somewhere between Speedball and just flat out OP).

I miss 90s Marvel. X-tinction Agenda, X-cutioner's song, Age of Apocalypse, etc. What did I know though, I actually liked Liefeld's art back then. I was a kid and didn't notice he didn't know how to draw anything but pouches.

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I don't mean the Lights or the new post-Phoenix ones.

There was this like a huge generation of young X-Men between the "New Mutants" and those: Anole, Dust, Rockslide, Pixie, Mercury, Hellion, Bling(!), Surge and so on. They seem to get swept under the rug it feels.

waiting for the t: the comic thing

Hah. Sounds about right.

So, I really don't understand the new Nova (2013), was wondering if anyone knows WTF is up.

Somehow Sam Alexander's dad was a Nova Centurion for quite some time, since he had all these adventures and shit and according to Gamora and Rocket he worked with the Guardians for quite some time. Evidently he was on Earth for a shit load of time (17 years) which would have meant he wasn't a centurion during the entire Annihilation wars. So, perhaps he was a Centurion before Richard Rider died and lost the entire Nova Force with him. But that really doesn't make sense how Sam is able to because a Centurion and it sure as fuck doesn't make sense that when Sam puts the helmet on he gains the power, takes helmet off loses power. That's not how the Nova Force has ever worked. Also how are other Centurions running around in the galaxy if Worldmind and Richard Rider are MIA?

Also why the FUCK is Glen Close Nova Prime in Guardians movie and why do the Centurion costumes look like dogshit.

Its some kind of special-ops Nova helmet, it has it's own power supply apart from the more general Nova Force and Worldmind.

Whatever.

Beginning to see why everyone hates Jeph Loeb.

If you haven't noticed they like, de-aged a bunch of New Warriors and them, Newb-Nova and the previously terrific Scarlet Spider (who just got canceled, the fuckers) are all reforming the New Warriors or some shit, but they all look 15 years old. Ugh.

meStevo_sl said:

I actually hate a lot of the new stuff. I can't read Wolverine and the X-Men becuse I've never liked any 'it's the kid segment of the main team(s)' that the X-Men and Avengers periodically cycle through. Also can't stand the art in much of that series. I feel like I haven't been happy with any 'new' mutants from the lights through now (gold balls? time bubbles? at least the healer is somewhere between Speedball and just flat out OP).

I miss 90s Marvel. X-tinction Agenda, X-cutioner's song, Age of Apocalypse, etc. What did I know though, I actually liked Liefeld's art back then. I was a kid and didn't notice he didn't know how to draw anything but pouches.

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Liefeld's art was atrocious but those storylines were some of the best ever.

lanx_sl said:

i think the costumes look like shit cuz they are "base layers"? and waiting for digital effects to be put on them, t least isn't this how they got iron man all shiny?

you literally cannot make sense of why the fuck they have mini nova around... especially for a fan, i mean i was a kid during the "new warriors"/dark hawk 1990's era and i thought they were cool, the team i could "associate" with.

why they make mini nova? i don't know maybe it's cuz they made ultimate spiderman a young black kid? i really don't know, i think... this is my theory, in order to make comic - sense and movie sense, they are ignoring everything about nova/guardians of the galaxy up until the recent 2013 relaunch, that means annilhilation and even richard rider do not exist and GOTG and Nova begins with issues 1 of both new titles (of which i hate)

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It's kind of hard to pretend Richard Rider and the Annihlation war just straight up didn't happen. ESPECIALLY when you've got Peter Quill heading your Guardian of the Galaxy's movie. It makes sense they're trying to dumb down nova to be more likeable to children, that's why they have Jeph Loeb doing it, since he's been doing kids shows and shit for Marvel. Not to mention the complete redesign on Gamora's outfit (which I actually like a lot better than her old one) and completely gutting her personality in Nova. She's like Sam's older sister, which is utterly ridiculous. I don't know, who knows hopefully they'll go the way of Damien Wayne and just kill the fucker off.

The new, young, Nova (and the black kid Ultimate Spider-Man) are different characters altogether, not "revised" old ones.

This kid isn't a de-aged Richard Rider, its a new guy altogether. Guardians of the Galaxy still goes on without him, even though Starlord and Drax are back.

For whatever this is worth: The Marvel Heroes game is supposed to have a playable Nova, but they said something about delaying his release because everyone really wants a Richard Rider Nova, not this new kid, and Marvel told them to wait to release him. There is something going on and the game devs don't know which Nova to make, so I guess Marvel may be bringing back Rider soon? That was the impression given from the game devs trying to deal with the Marvel people on the issue.

Marvel Heroes initially took down all information related to Sam Alexander and Nova in general as a playable hero. But recently was readded back with Sam and all his stuff there. I've been looking around for information on this as it's pretty depressing to me.

I saw this and it sparked some hope in me:Twitter / BRIANMBENDIS: cancerverse nerds! infinity ...

Edit: lol NINO Nova board taken down again on Marvelheroes.com

Oooooo, hope its something good.

meStevo_sl said:

I miss 90s Marvel. X-tinction Agenda, X-cutioner's song, Age of Apocalypse, etc. What did I know though, I actually liked Liefeld's art back then. I was a kid and didn't notice he didn't know how to draw anything but pouches.

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Truth brother, though I'd go as far back as the Mutant Massacre. With runs by Marc Silvestri, Jim Lee, Whilce Portacio, and Brandon Peterson, and of course Claremont writing, I've always thought #200-300 was the real golden age of X-Men. You can go back to start at #130ish to pick up some of the really classic storylines (Dark Phoenix Saga, Days of Future Past).

Honestly though, browsing covers from the last decade... (Uncanny X-Men Covers #450-499) I'm even starting to miss Liefeld's art.

Reason why the artists of the 90s were so good was allot of it was purely from there imagination. Lots of energy in that artwork

Now everything is trying to be so realistic to match the movies, and it has become a bland fest. To much photoshoping, tracing photos etc

Oh well.

Column_sl said:

Reason why the artists of the 90s were so good was allot of it was purely from there imagination. Lots of energy in that artwork

Now everything is trying to be so realistic to match the movies, and it has become a bland fest. To much photoshoping, tracing photos etc

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cocaine I think you mean.

Also, it does not hold up well at all. Both writing and art. Go back and read that Claremont stuff as an adult and be weirded out by by him injecting his fetishes completely unsubtly. not even just him. Alot of that 80-90's stuff gives of some really weird vibes. Ms. Marvel rape and all.

Image comics changed the industry... but again, go back and look at that early stuff. Spawn, Wildcats, Witchblade. you can not seriously go back to that stuff and thinkg, "this is great!".
While it marked a popularity outbreak, it was really the dark ages in terms of artistic merit. Most akin to "anime" outbreaks, or possibly 3d gaming/animation. im glad FF7 was your first RPG. but it was a piece of shit, and cloud was gay as hell.
It marked a period were brand names. or name recognition quickly outpaced quality. the name was more important then the quality of their work. to this DAY Liefield is one of the most profitable artists. (all time he is THE. but even now, he makes more money per page then 90% working comic artists)

This is more telling when you look at stuff from the time that does hold up. Watchmen, etc.
Or hell, go back further. Conan, Tarzan. The spirit.
1935 Flash Gordan.

You are talking about stories when we are discussing the art....

Guy commented he looked through all the last years covers, and wasn't impressed.

And that shit still holds up today. Jim lees run on the x men before the reboot was exceptional.
As well as the shit load of other great artists that ran through that decade.

I could list 100 easly

But I'll list just a few shall we

Jason pearson
Adam Hughes
Cully Hamner
Dexter Vines
Brian Stelfreeze
Arthur Adams
Joe Maudiera
Marc Silvestri
Humberto Ramos
Brandon peterson
Jim Lee
Whilce Portacio
Ed MCguiness
Eric Canete
Larry Stroman
Chris Sprouse
Ale garza
Adam Warren
Karl Story
J Scott Campbell
Ed Benes
David Williams
Doug Manhke
Phi Noto
Travis Charest
Dale keown
Pop Mhan
Chap Yaep
Tony Harris
Jeff matsuda
Jeff Johnson

And the list goes on and on. You know why there was so many good artists in comics in the 90s? money,and lots of it.
If there was any outbreak it was an artists outbreak, and they were coming from other industry's into comics.

the name was more important then the quality of their work. to this DAY Liefield is one of the most profitable artists. (all time he is THE. but even now, he makes more money per page then 90% working comic artists)

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This is absolutely a false statement. Mcfarlane destroyed him.Liefelds page rate may be in the 90% ,but he is no where close to the highest in comics.
His pages for sale dont even get that much money.

For instance a Liefeld page is going for 300 bucks where a Lee page goes for 3000.

Jim Lee is also a millionaire. Not only did he Make a shitload of money in comics ,and still does. He sold Wildstorm for a ton, and is the president of DC comics.

it was really the dark ages in terms of artistic

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You are so uninformed, maybe if you saw the 90's as only Image comics you would think that, but some amazing art was coming out at that time outside of Image.
Were in the Dark Ages of comics right now..if you can't see that you are blind. It feels almost exactly like the late 80s right before the explosion.

I have never seen comics this bad, even the Indie scene is awful with everyone just copying each other to be the next big movie.

The talent pool is also abysmal. Marvel and DC top artists are still artists that have been working for 30 years....
When your Hot artists are the ones that are in there 40s there is something wrong.


One last thing Alex Raymond was timeless not the industry that was around him. It be like picking out Michael Golden in the early 80s and saying look what they were doing back then!
Those two artist were decades ahead of there time.

This is about to get fun.