Depression

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Noodleface

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Right, and that's a legitimate question and legitimate reasoning. There were a couple times where it was clearly for attention but there were a few where doctors saved her life without a doubt. They were giving us the 1-5% survival rates, and when I saw her in the hospital I actually thought she was dead.

The thing is, I moved out after the first attempt as well as my sister. She then claimed stuff like we never visited, or avoided her, and it was a perpetual cycle of me and my sister not caring anymore. You can't blame people for you trying to kill yourself. It makes me numb to the entire thing. I might sound heartless, and maybe I am, but you can only care so much. I'm happy she's in recovery, and hopeful for her success, but realistically I know it won't last.
 

TrollfaceDeux

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Yeah I can relate. felt the same way after high school. mental gymnastic she is playing, yeah. gonna take some time to process that stuff and come to terms with it/and stop blaming others for your problems.
 

Dabamf_sl

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I know this is horrible thing to say but it is possible she wants attentions or somebody with her. probably feel like everyone is leaving her and she is not able to process that properly. trying to suicide and not being able to do it 5 times is, well, not really a suicide at that point.
Well, behaviorally it may look that way (and probably does), but there is an alternative way to conceptualize it that is less pejorative and probably a more accurate way to understand what is going on. She probably has a biological or temperamental inability to regulate emotions well (emotion regulation being how well you can handle the natural course of aversive emotional states, and what strategies you employ to do so). Maybe she also grew up in a neglectful or abusive family, and only got the appropriate care she needed when something extreme happened (e.g. injury). You then have a developmental recipe in which a person experiences an extreme on the spectrum of emotions, has difficulty modulating those emotional experiences on her own, and caregivers that rarely help with those difficulties except under extreme circumstances. Getting into trouble, self harm, etc may have been the go-to ways to get attention and needs met throughout life, at the expense of developing other strategies for regulating emotions. Neglectful parents are not around to teach healthy regulatory strategies either explicitly or through modeling, and behaviors that are harmful in the long term (self harm, getting into trouble, etc) may continue to be reinforced because (1)they ARE effective at modulating emotional reactions in the immediate term, and (2)they are the only strategy known. Once that pattern is set for years or decades, it is extremely difficult to change course.

Emotion dysregulation is a fundamental component to self-harm, suicidality, borderline personality, and substance use, among others. Until recently, many of those conditions were either marginally treatable or basically untreatable. In the past 20 years, strict behavioral interventions (notably DBT - dialectical behavioral therapy) have been developed that are quite effective at treating emotion dysregulation as well as the specific manifestation of that (substance use, self harm, etc --though many many are comorbid).

I'm obviously no longer talking about Noodleface's mom specifically, as I've gone off into speculation land. But the scenario I described is quite, quite common in people who are typically seen as "looking for attention." The reality is usually a lot more complex, less pejorative, and the "attention-seeking" behaviors are generally learned patterns of behaviors that serve a genuine purpose in the short term of alleviating distress, and are not done in the conscious, manipulative way that "seeking attention" tends to suggest. However, it is understandably frustrating and "looking for attention" is a fair response of someone who has had the frustration of dealing with a person like that for years and years.

In terms of specifics for Noodleface, the first thing I'd do is research the rehab facility (by calling or maybe if the info is available on their website) and inquiring about the empirical support of their treatment method. Psychology is rampant with treatments that have little to no empirical support (by rampant I mean probably in the range of 80% or higher), so that's the first thing I'd do when seeking ANY psychological treatment.

First question you should always ask a potential therapist or treatment center: "What is your position on empirically supported treatments?" Run if they give you some runaround answer. Following assessment and presentation of a treatment plan (if these don't exist, run), your 2nd essential question is "What is the empirical support of your suggested treatment?" Unfortunately, those who don't believe that clinical psychology can, should be, and is a science, will give the response that the therapeutic relationship accounts for a vast majority of the change (wrong) and that empirically supported treatments are restrictive and "cookbook recipes" of therapy (wrong), and you'll tend to trust their PhD over some dude on the internet.
 

TrollfaceDeux

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hey dabamf, i need some suggestion if you can. when i build a friendship and a bond, I usually break it after getting "too comfortable" and I feel as if something is about to go wrong or feel that they are shit for X/Y reasons everytime. it keeps repeating in my head and i am unable to go pass it. this has happened several times. I think i only have one friend who i am very comfortable with, but that was after going over that bridge and coming to terms with it. and he is also unusual, so it's an odd mixture which i thrive in. I seem to fuck any relationship up and hard time feeling relaxed around people.

it used to be that i was not aware of my situation and i would act odd and outrageous to grab attention. i think i developed this pattern due to my inability to speak english for quite some time. now, I am very aware and unable to act beyond it.
 

Gavinmad

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finally seeing my counselor tomorrow for the first time in forever. Still probably going to kill myself eventually, but he's a fun guy to talk to.
 

Izo

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Dabamf_sl

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hey dabamf, i need some suggestion if you can. when i build a friendship and a bond, I usually break it after getting "too comfortable" and I feel as if something is about to go wrong or feel that they are shit for X/Y reasons everytime. it keeps repeating in my head and i am unable to go pass it. this has happened several times. I think i only have one friend who i am very comfortable with, but that was after going over that bridge and coming to terms with it. and he is also unusual, so it's an odd mixture which i thrive in. I seem to fuck any relationship up and hard time feeling relaxed around people.

it used to be that i was not aware of my situation and i would act odd and outrageous to grab attention. i think i developed this pattern due to my inability to speak english for quite some time. now, I am very aware and unable to act beyond it.
Short answer: see a professional

Long answer because the short answer isn't always convincing:

It's impossible to make an assessment on a forum, but if what you describe are discrete tendencies not linked to a more pervasive personality pattern or other dysfunction, those sorts of problems are incredibly responsive to CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy). Behaviors that are learned later in life in response to a particular situation, such as acting outrageous to make up for language problems, are also easier to treat than tendencies that are present from the beginning.

As for the friend thing, you said you come to the conclusion that others are shit (shitty friends?) after a while - maybe your expectation for a friend is too rigid. What are your expectations based on? Look up "avoidant personality disorder" and "social anxiety disorder." See if they resonate STRONGLY (everyone thinks they have a PD when they see criteria - it has to be pervasive and strongly impairing). If they do, use it to make sense of things, then see a therapist. Don't diagnose yourself because there is way more to it than checking off DSM items.
 

TrollfaceDeux

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As for the friend thing, you said you come to the conclusion that others are shit (shitty friends?) after a while - maybe your expectation for a friend is too rigid. What are your expectations based on? Look up "avoidant personality disorder" and "social anxiety disorder." See if they resonate STRONGLY (everyone thinks they have a PD when they see criteria - it has to be pervasive and strongly impairing). If they do, use it to make sense of things, then see a therapist. Don't diagnose yourself because there is way more to it than checking off DSM items.
that could be true. typically, i have no problem with socializing with any people. i do avoid certain people very noticeably.

I find it is very difficult to settle for whatever reason and find some other reason if something odd/weird/out of expected stuff happens. usually it ends with one outburst and i go crazy land.
 

Ambiturner

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Right, and that's a legitimate question and legitimate reasoning. There were a couple times where it was clearly for attention but there were a few where doctors saved her life without a doubt. They were giving us the 1-5% survival rates, and when I saw her in the hospital I actually thought she was dead.

The thing is, I moved out after the first attempt as well as my sister. She then claimed stuff like we never visited, or avoided her, and it was a perpetual cycle of me and my sister not caring anymore. You can't blame people for you trying to kill yourself. It makes me numb to the entire thing. I might sound heartless, and maybe I am, but you can only care so much. I'm happy she's in recovery, and hopeful for her success, but realistically I know it won't last.
Don't think you're heartless at all. I had similar experiences when I was younger and felt the same way around the third time my mom downed a bottle of pills. It was mostly for attention, but would definitely be dead without immediate medical treatment. 12-13 years later and I'm still mostly apathetic towards her.
 

Tarrant

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With summer fast approaching that means my yearly trip to see my family is coming up too. While I'm excited, I can't help but think back on the levels of depression I went though when I made this thread after I left there last year. Now I'm really conflicted on how to feel about the whole trip in general.