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I in fact do overclock and used to build my own water loops.

I am saving money from any prebuilt system quite easily.

I do have concern for longevity.

You are a brain dead moron.
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That's fine if you want to take personal offense over my comments, but your response is quite contradictory. If you were concerned about longevity you would neither over clock nor utilize a prebuilt water cooling solution.

Yeah, you're saving some money, but you could put $100 of that cooling solution into a better drive and reap more functional and real benefits. You might get, what, 200mhz of OC? And the pump on that cooling solution has what, an expected lifespan of two years? Never mind the maintenance.

The 7700K and Trident Z memory is as good as you can get right now if you're not compiling. But the rest of that build could be ratcheted down with zero impact to performance.

But hey. It's your money.
 
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That's fine if you want to take personal offense over my comments, but your response is quite contradictory. If you were concerned about longevity you would neither over clock nor utilize a prebuilt water cooling solution.

Yeah, you're saving some money, but you could put $100 of that cooling solution into a better drive and reap more functional and real benefits. You might get, what, 200mhz of OC? And the pump on that cooling solution has what, an expected lifespan of two years? Never mind the maintenance.

The 7700K and Trident Z memory is as good as you can get right now if you're not compiling. But the rest of that build could be ratcheted down with zero impact to performance.

But hey. It's your money.
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Let's see your parts list then.
 
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Let's see your parts list then.
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Are we talking my current system that I've piecemealed at $100-200 at a time, or what I would build given X amount of dollars. If the latter, it would depend on what you're primarily using your system for, on top of your budget.

Ideally and reasonably, a 7700K,16GB Trident Z 3000mhz, 1tb msata drive or a pair of 550+mbps SSD's in RAID 0, or an x4 pcie drive, a motherboard that doesn't have truncated pipelines beyond the main x16 bridge, especially if you go m2 or an x4 solution, or plan to run SLI, a 1070-1080Ti. And a noctua air cooler, or similar $50 cooler.

I'm currently looking at a Ryzen 1950X build because I do heavy file conversion work, and wouldn't mind its ability to still run games at a competitive level. And I have a couple extra dollars to spend at the moment.
 
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Are we talking my current system that I've piecemealed at $100-200 at a time, or what I would build given X amount of dollars. If the latter, it would depend on what you're primarily using your system for, on top of your budget.

Ideally and reasonably, a 7700K,16GB Trident Z 3000mhz, 1tb msata drive or a pair of 550+mbps SSD's in RAID 0, or an x4 pcie drive, a motherboard that doesn't have truncated pipelines beyond the main x16 bridge, especially if you go m2 or an x4 solution, or plan to run SLI, a 1070-1080Ti. And a noctua air cooler, or similar $50 cooler.

I'm currently looking at a Ryzen 1950X build because I do heavy file conversion work, and wouldn't mind its ability to still run games at a competitive level. And I have a couple extra dollars to spend at the moment.
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Isn't that like exactly what he and I posted except for the CPU cooler?
 
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a c i d.f l y said:
That's fine if you want to take personal offense over my comments, but your response is quite contradictory. If you were concerned about longevity you would neither over clock nor utilize a prebuilt water cooling solution.

Yeah, you're saving some money, but you could put $100 of that cooling solution into a better drive and reap more functional and real benefits. You might get, what, 200mhz of OC? And the pump on that cooling solution has what, an expected lifespan of two years? Never mind the maintenance.

The 7700K and Trident Z memory is as good as you can get right now if you're not compiling. But the rest of that build could be ratcheted down with zero impact to performance.

But hey. It's your money.
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Oh I could ratchet it down for sure for $10 here and $20 there and not get fancy lights. I could also go with a 2011v3 and get the same overall setup really.

Longevity IS two years in this market. I could then pay $50-$100 and get a new watercool setup if I wanted to and change nothing else on the system.

I am not offended, I just don't know why you started coming at me for little to no reason.

Building a complete system at once is not ludicrous at all and to say so is just mind boggling. Sure you could nickle and dime it over 6 years if you really wanted to, but why?

You seem to be enamored with your ability to take more than a year to build a system. Not all of us roll that way.
 
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Isn't that like exactly what he and I posted except for the CPU cooler?
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Pretty much except he has more space built into the system. I only keep a minimal amount of space used up on my system. I play a single game at a time and a 500GB SSD is all I need. His recommendations for all kinds of hard drive space is an absolute waste for me. Not my use case.

He is cautioning me about wasting money on the things that I chose while telling me to waste money on the things he would want.
 
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Pretty much except he has more space built into the system. I only keep a minimal amount of space used up on my system. I play a single game at a time and a 500GB SSD is all I need. His recommendations for all kinds of hard drive space is an absolute waste for me. Not my use case.

He is cautioning me about wasting money on the things that I chose while telling me to waste money on the things he would want.
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I double checked everything I came up with and saving a $40 here or there isn't worth it to me. It's anecdotal but there are some brands I wont touch and some that I have had nothing but a good experience with. I also don't need tons of hard drive space for my daughter since she plays on a couple games a time and everything else is on my Plex server.

Overclocking and AIO's or any water cooling actually make a big difference in MMO's since they are usually handicapped by single core speed.

You should look into this kit if your willing to drop $150 on an AIO. EK Fluid Gaming A240 water cooling kit – Fluidgaming
 
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I double checked everything I came up with and saving a $40 here or there isn't worth it to me. It's anecdotal but there are some brands I wont touch and some that I have had nothing but a good experience with. I also don't need tons of hard drive space for my daughter since she plays on a couple games a time and everything else is on my Plex server.

Overclocking and AIO's or any water cooling actually make a big difference in MMO's since they are usually handicapped by single core speed.

You should look into this kit if your willing to drop $150 on an AIO. EK Fluid Gaming A240 water cooling kit – Fluidgaming
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I know this is a silly question...Why doesn't my water cooler have this reservoir? I'm assuming that's what it is. Too cheap a brand?
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I know this is a silly question...Why doesn't my water cooler have this reservoir? I'm assuming that's what it is. Too cheap a brand?
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Most All in One WC have the reservoir tucked into the radiator and the pump in the CPU block.

This one is from EK, one of the main WC components manufacturer so they just created a pre-made loop with their existing stuff.
 
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I know this is a silly question...Why doesn't my water cooler have this reservoir? I'm assuming that's what it is. Too cheap a brand?
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Reservoirs are mostly for ease of filling, bleeding and cosmetic. An open loop doesn't actually require a reservoir, it just makes things easier and looks nice and it doesn't add anything substantial to the cooling. What you have is closed loop and factory sealed so they don't want people fucking with it and adding any additional points of failure for a leak.

I'm actually surprised someone like you hasn't gotten into a custom open loop with how you like stylish things that have form and function. Custom loops are a big expense in many cases due to the customization and how nice you want it to look. The AIO like you have is maintenance free and install it and forget about it which is the appeal if you don't want to be fucking with your computer.

Here is an example of your case with a custom loop in your color.

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Reservoirs are mostly for ease of filling, bleeding and cosmetic. An open loop doesn't actually require a reservoir, it just makes things easier and looks nice and it doesn't add anything substantial to the cooling. What you have is closed loop and factory sealed so they don't want people fucking with it and adding any additional points of failure for a leak.

I'm actually surprised someone like you hasn't gotten into a custom open loop with how you like stylish things that have form and function. Custom loops are a big expense in many cases due to the customization and how nice you want it to look. The AIO like you have is maintenance free and install it and forget about it which is the appeal if you don't want to be fucking with your computer.

Here is an example of your case with a custom loop in your color.

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I may have fucked up. I love that!!

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I may have fucked up. I love that!!

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Good news is that AIO you have didn't cost that much and can be used on another computer. You have a good case for open loop cooling and all the parts are out for your gpu and cpu so it's just a matter of wanting to spend the money and choosing between hardline or flex tubing.
 
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Pretty much except he has more space built into the system. I only keep a minimal amount of space used up on my system. I play a single game at a time and a 500GB SSD is all I need. His recommendations for all kinds of hard drive space is an absolute waste for me. Not my use case.

He is cautioning me about wasting money on the things that I chose while telling me to waste money on the things he would want.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is why you don't shit post drunk. You have a point, and it comes across angry and aggressive. My bad.

Tho I would still suggest building a raid array of SSD's. If you don't need space, get smaller drives, and raid those, it'll be even cheaper. The performance is insane. I was capping out my SATA bandwidth with 4 drives until the molex to SATA power rail short circuited and almost burned my house down. Lesson learned, don't ever use power adapters. And use an appropriate PSU that has the connectors for the application. If space is a concern, one of the 400GB Intel x4 pcie cards would net better performance than m2. It's $349 retail, or $100 more than a comparible sata or m2 SSD, but offers four times the performance. Point was, save $20-100 here or there, and put it into things that you'll see a noticeable increase in performance. And I bet you could find one on ebay for even less.
 
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is why you don't shit post drunk. You have a point, and it comes across angry and aggressive. My bad.

Tho I would still suggest building a raid array of SSD's. If you don't need space, get smaller drives, and raid those, it'll be even cheaper. The performance is insane. I was capping out my SATA bandwidth with 4 drives until the molex to SATA power rail short circuited and almost burned my house down. Lesson learned, don't ever use power adapters. And use an appropriate PSU that has the connectors for the application. If space is a concern, one of the 400GB Intel x4 pcie cards would net better performance than m2. It's $349 retail, or $100 more than a comparible sata or m2 SSD, but offers four times the performance. Point was, save $20-100 here or there, and put it into things that you'll see a noticeable increase in performance. And I bet you could find one on ebay for even less.
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I was still operating on the old information that RAID on SSD is "bad" for them. Have we all moved from that stance?

That list is not necessarily going to be bought new also. I am going to spend some time trolling ebay/reddit/refurbs on amazon, etc..

I run a PCIe SSD on my server and am well aware of just how amazeballs they are. I am still evaluating, the only thing that I am wanting to decide on and pull the trigger on is the M2 for that price drop right now. I will probably do it no matter what because I have experience with PCIe SSD but not with M2 and I like to get a feel for things in my own hand before I recommend them to family and friends or tell them to not go that route.
 
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I was still operating on the old information that RAID on SSD is "bad" for them. Have we all moved from that stance?

That list is not necessarily going to be bought new also. I am going to spend some time trolling ebay/reddit/refurbs on amazon, etc..

I run a PCIe SSD on my server and am well aware of just how amazeballs they are. I am still evaluating, the only thing that I am wanting to decide on and pull the trigger on is the M2 for that price drop right now. I will probably do it no matter what because I have experience with PCIe SSD but not with M2 and I like to get a feel for things in my own hand before I recommend them to family and friends or tell them to not go that route.
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Depends on the controller. Newer ones have controlled write designed for SSD in raid, so they won't burn out the initial segments. Same with the pcie card with its built in controller. Most of the newer drives themselves also have controlled write processes to prevent overuse of the same segments without the need for a complicated secondary controller. Depends on the brand.

I ran four drives for four years in raid 0, and the drives still have 100% parity, minus the one that literally burned. For consumer operations, not a concern. In a server environment, I'd spend a bit more time researching.
 
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I was still operating on the old information that RAID on SSD is "bad" for them. Have we all moved from that stance?

That list is not necessarily going to be bought new also. I am going to spend some time trolling ebay/reddit/refurbs on amazon, etc..

I run a PCIe SSD on my server and am well aware of just how amazeballs they are. I am still evaluating, the only thing that I am wanting to decide on and pull the trigger on is the M2 for that price drop right now. I will probably do it no matter what because I have experience with PCIe SSD but not with M2 and I like to get a feel for things in my own hand before I recommend them to family and friends or tell them to not go that route.
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The mobo you selected has support for up to 3 nvme drives (2 m2, 1 pcie) in raid.

ROG STRIX Z270E GAMING | ROG - Republic Of Gamers | ASUS USA
 
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Really loving the look of the S340 Elite and also now looking into going open loop again.

The problem is that rigid looks awesome but soft/flex looks terrible to me. I have never done rigid before, time to read up on it. Plumbing itself isn't hard I just need to buy some extra length to practice my first few cuts and stuff.
 
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CPU: *AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($109.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: *ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: *G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($113.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $405.82

Looking at buying a super cheap pc for my nephew. Picked the 1200 because it can OC like a champ if he wants to get into that. Already have a power supply and hd's to donate. Thoughts?

Still need to get him a cheap 24 inch monitor or something too likely so really trying to keep the budget as low as possible but give him a chance to upgrade later if he'd like.
 
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I have a carbide spec 02? Or something case and it's really good. Everything else looks good
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Every Corsair case I've used when building for folks has been solid. Big fan of the 900. Their $50 cases are just as good, but limited on drive space, which usually isn't a concern. Very clean and simple. Light, and lacking bogus shit that obstructs airflow.
 
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