Diablo 3 - Reaper of Souls

Wizardhawk_sl said:

So basically your one gripe with D3 is the lack of a ladder?

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I have plenty of gripes with it, enough to write three beefy pages, but the one you refer to is not exclusively about a ladder but about the complete absence of any goal in the game. The best and easiest way for them to remedy this would be to start doing ladder seasons like in D2, but it's not the only example of a gameplay goal. I mentioned other examples, I'm sure you didn't intentionally skip them. What it boils down to is the fact that D3's gameplay doesn't lead to any final purpose, there's nothing to work towards other than just continued grinding for the sake of grinding itself. D2 had ladder competition, season resets, PvP and meaningful wealth as possible long-term goals.

D3 lacks all of these either because they're completely absent (ladder competition, season resets) or because they're rendered pointless by awful design (PvP, wealth acquisition). As a result, the only ones who were able to enjoy the game for more than a brief spell were the ones who are satisfied with the simple act of killing monsters without any concern for the broader aspects of gameplay (or lack thereof). D3 has the long-term playing facilities of Minesweeper without the high score. Anybody who is at all concerned with their accomplishments being meaningful, challenging, visible, or measurable against others in some way will find nothing in D3, and that is a large part of the reason it will be remembered as perhaps the most notable failure in video game history, taking into account who made it and how good it could realistically have been expected to be.

kudos_sl said:

I've come to the conclusion that the RMAH destroyed diablo. When I can go buy 1,000,000,000 gold for $25 then who really gives a fuck about what item drops? I'll just go buy it with my lunch money. I'm playing because I enjoy the game and also I don't use real money to buy items so I have somewhat of a reason to grind out some drops. No clue how long this game will entertain me for. I had 245 hours on my DH before I quit him. I'm up to 25 hours on the barb and already in MP6 grinding with 200k dps. When I hit mp10 and / or 400k dps I'll probably quit again until expansion.

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You got to MP6 and 200k DPS with 25 hours /played with no help from anyone or purely by yourself? If by yourself I'd love to hear how as I'm no where near that closer to 50 hours on my barb.

I know that. How did he get that much gold to buy stuff on the AH? I've just level to 60 and was given 25mil and I am no where near MP 6. Not even close. I'd really like to know as obviously I'm doing something wrong.

DMK_sl said:

I know that. How did he get that much gold to buy stuff on the AH? I've just level to 60 and was given 25mil and I am no where near MP 6. Not even close. I'd really like to know as obviously I'm doing something wrong.

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RNG is RNG, he may have simply gotten lucky with a drop that sold for a lot.

axeman_sl said:

D2 had meaningful wealth as possible long-term goals.
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D3, and that is a large part of the reason it will be remembered as perhaps the most notable failure in video game history, taking into account who made it and how good it could realistically have been expected to be

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Haha, I needed a good laugh.

kudos_sl said:

He has a point. Every time I ask myself why people play D3 I can't come up with an answer.

I've asked my two friends who play this game a lot why they keep playing.

My one friend said... "for keys". Well, ok.

So... I asked "why".

"I don't know what else is there to do?"

The other friend just loves playing the game. He doesn't give a fuck about drops and to be honest he can do mp10 anyways so I don't think gear really matters to him. Considering gold is so fucking cheap who really gives a shit anyways?

I've come to the conclusion that the RMAH destroyed diablo. When I can go buy 1,000,000,000 gold for $25 then who really gives a fuck about what item drops? I'll just go buy it with my lunch money. I'm playing because I enjoy the game and also I don't use real money to buy items so I have somewhat of a reason to grind out some drops. No clue how long this game will entertain me for. I had 245 hours on my DH before I quit him. I'm up to 25 hours on the barb and already in MP6 grinding with 200k dps. When I hit mp10 and / or 400k dps I'll probably quit again until expansion.

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The RMAH destroyed Diablo even though you spent 270+ hours on the game already? How many other games have you spent $60 on and played for 300 hours? How many of those did you then proceed to complain about being pointless and ask people why they play it?

Why did people play D2? It wasn't exactly any different there, just reversed. You farm a few bosses (or run your bot(s)), loot the 700th Titan's Bane (or whatever the javazon spear was) or 650th Buriza, and throw it in your stash with the 17 others. Who really gave a fuck what item dropped when every single good item was on every single character in the game? By the way, items were just as cheap on D2 as gold is for D3.

I don't understand why people think there ever was or is supposed to be some magical hidden purpose in this style of game. They're built for slaughtering monsters and picking up shiny items. Just like the point of CoD/BF is to shoot people and make your way to level xx. Then you prestige and start from scratch without all the unlocked weapons but a shiny new symbol next to your name. Repeat 9 more times and then you don't even get any more carrots dangled in the form of symbols.

DMK_sl said:

I know that. How did he get that much gold to buy stuff on the AH? I've just level to 60 and was given 25mil and I am no where near MP 6. Not even close. I'd really like to know as obviously I'm doing something wrong.

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He mentions that he has a char with 250 hours played in the same line that he mentions his barbarian... Just might be how he got the gold but who knows.

Leveling up a WW Barb honestly killed my desire to play this game. I don't think my gear is anything great, but I can run through MP10 just spinning along as long as I avoid names. Takes forever but w/e. My DH was way more fun, but not nearly as efficient. I think I only ever made it up to MP3 or 4 before I couldn't go on.

Strangely enough my DH profile is listed at 175k dps, while my barb is 64k... and yet the barb just blows past everything. Yay balance.

Figure I might as well throw this out too before people start calling me a shill (seems to be the new trend!). Yes, I think they did a lot of things wrong with D3. There are plenty of things I could think of to improve the game. I feel this way about every single game i've ever played. Even with the disappointments SC2 and D3 were to me, you've got to be a moron to think they'll go down anywhere close to "failure" status. I can count on my fingers (probably 1 hand) the number of $60 games i've put 300+ hours in to (maybe add a couple toes to get all the MMORPG in there, but those have sub fees etc.)

Zuuljin_sl said:

Leveling up a WW Barb honestly killed my desire to play this game. I don't think my gear is anything great, but I can run through MP10 just spinning along as long as I avoid names. Takes forever but w/e. My DH was way more fun, but not nearly as efficient. I think I only ever made it up to MP3 or 4 before I couldn't go on.

Strangely enough my DH profile is listed at 175k dps, while my barb is 64k... and yet the barb just blows past everything. Yay balance.

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You probably have the skillset on your DH that gives them super-inflated dps because it adjusts to 100% crit chance. Barbs can do similar things to get their profile to list superman dps. Yay balance.

I also don't think i'd really call it running mp10 if you are just running past all the mobs to get to the next floor and I wouldn't use efficient while at the same time saying it takes forever...

Wizardhawk_sl said:

Figure I might as well throw this out too before people start calling me a shill (seems to be the new trend!). Yes, I think they did a lot of things wrong with D3. There are plenty of things I could think of to improve the game. I feel this way about every single game i've ever played. Even with the disappointments SC2 and D3 were to me, you've got to be a moron to think they'll go down anywhere close to "failure" status. I can count on my fingers (probably 1 hand) the number of $60 games i've put 300+ hours in to (maybe add a couple toes to get all the MMORPG in there, but those have sub fees etc.)

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Everyone is talking relatively. A failure to what it could have been. Which is opinion based so I'm not really sure why you are trying to claim everyone is a moron that thinks its a failure. You are assuming people are so stupid on this board they don't already see the obvious that yes the game was worth the $60 but was a failure in comparison to their expectations.

Your last 3 post are so condescending and sarcastic how about you get out of your own ass for a second. You aren't a shill you just think you are better then most posters here which clearly isn't the case.

Yea I think your right on the DH. Maybe I had too many idea's rolled into one in that post, but my point was that I can survive and kill mobs at MP10 with the barb, where the DH can't even make it past MP4. With I believe better gear. Putting the barb on MP4 is a slaughter all around and WAY more efficient, but boring as hell as I'm essentially invincible. The only fun I was getting out of that was seeing how many mobs I could kill in a row to get a super bonus, but even that got tiresome.

Don't mind him. By his logic SWTOR obviously wasn't a failure.

Failure is relative, sure. Diablo 3 failed to meet my expectations. It was a total meltdown in my eyes because they designed features for it that actually remove the gameplay that 'made' diablo what it is (see below). Just like the TOR example I consider that a complete failure. That's a matter of perception though. Other games that in my eyes didnt meet my expectation but so far are sliding along in "meh I expected more" territory are MWO and GW2 , for example. Some of you might see those as total failure and others call them fine.

I think most people playing arent playing because of the controversial changes compared to D2 but despite them. And I assume (yea) most would have been happier if the game had stuck closer to D2 in many of the controversial regards (not a 1:1 copy obviously).



What makes a Diablo game a Diablo game:

For me, D1 and D2 was beating up tons of demons and taking their stuff, slowly but always leveling up. Sometimes the stuff was rare and cool so you use it or squirrel it away to use with a different character later because there were many different items that were good for some builds but meh for others.

The D3 team took a carving knife to that concept and sliced it right off. Flat leveling. Barely any different builds. Items are so bland that everything is good for everyone (with that main stat, out of 3) with very few exceptions.

And they know it, too. It's just too late, Pandora's box is open. I keep checking back here every so often hoping they found a way to close it again, but so far they just pushed the lid down an inch.

As much as I would like to call this game an outright failure, I cannot. I have spent plenty of time on this game. There have been times when I got excited(My fix) because either something sold for real money or I got a drop like the Trifecta dex amulet with AR I got a few weeks ago that sold for 1 Billion gold. I enjoy my Barbarian because there is no class that can just decimate targets at the speed it does at the MP I hunt in (MP8). I can easily do MP10 but the rate it takes to kill the Elites is not worth the trade out as I still farm Demonic Essences in the hopes that one day I will roll the Trifecta Strength Necklace(235 attempts so far). I am not sure if I will feel the same once I hit Paragon 100 though. I am 91 now and get the feeling that 100 might kind of slow me down a bit as then the game becomes solely a hunt for the perfect item kind of game.

The easiest fix that would make this game enjoyable again would be the endless dungeon, where the carrot potentially gets better and better the lower you get. You could even have certain items that only drop at certain levels. That introduces the Donkey Kong element that would be an absolute blast to try. You could even have two varities of it, one being a dungeon which saves so as to be able to continue later and then the hardcore version that does not, though at that point they need to place an AFK timer in that dungeon.

I suppose I will continue playing this game simply because it is free and I can. I mainly just do not want to spend anymore money this summer on games since I threw $250.00 at "Hex , Shards of Fate". The item revamp is something that could go a long way in repairing some of the very stupid design concepts like having a plethra of white and blue items drop that just serve to interfere with my ability to loot the item I actually want. It is a shame though that that patch is months away.

DMK_sl said:

Don't mind him. By his logic SWTOR obviously wasn't a failure.

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Yes, because an MMO that ends up flopping is completely comparable to Diablo 3, which i'm pretty sure made a lot more money than they spent on production (unlike SWTOR). Think it's funny how you leave me a neg about my attitude/condescension but then you post this 2 posts later.

Nobody on here is posting about how "D3 didn't give me everything I dreamed for", they're posting that "Blizzard is a bunch of cockgobbling money hungry shitheads who made the worst game in the history of games in D3 despite the fact that I played it for 200 hours when most games get 0-20 hours gameplay".