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One thing I have noticed from these first two episodes is that, unlike Tennant or Smith, the delivery of the lines is very understated yet rapid fire. This plus the scottish accent is clearly losing some American audience members. I've picked up on funny bits on the second viewing that I didn't catch the first time around as well as acting as interpreter for the people I'm watching with who aren't quite as used to either the accent or colloquialisms used.
 
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Qhue_sl said:
One thing I have noticed from these first two episodes is that, unlike Tennant or Smith, the delivery of the lines is very understated yet rapid fire. This plus the scottish accent is clearly losing some American audience members. I've picked up on funny bits on the second viewing that I didn't catch the first time around as well as acting as interpreter for the people I'm watching with who aren't quite as used to either the accent or colloquialisms used.
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Now that you mention it I too realize that sometimes it takes my brain a few moments longer to register the quips because of his accent and then the moment isn't as powerful. Especially as you said how rapid fire and one linery they are.
 
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I've often had to rewind and turn on closed caption to catch something due to accents, but that is true for almost any show I watch on BBC, including the previous doctors. I don't know that it's only true for Capaldi. In fact, I miss more of Clara's lines then his.
 
Chukzombi

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as a kid my parents had fawlty towers, monty python and the goodies on almost every week so i can understand just about every brit accent, though cockney is a bit tough and forget about welsh
 
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While I'm very much liking Capaldi's portrayal of the Doctor so far I still have grave concerns with Moffat's involvement. I'd imagine that I'm probably older than a bunch of you so seeing constant nods to things from my childhood ranging fromThe Numskullsin the Hitler episode to the Inner Space/Fantastic Voyage homage in this last episode is starting to wear a bit thin. Although, the biggest issue I have with Moffat's writing is that he constantly ignores his own canon in favour of closing a plot loop. Daleks are portrayed as these supremely intelligent and calculating killing machines and yet we have ole' Rusty wheeling up to a bunch of them and blasting them all to pieces without one so much as getting a shot off at him. Or the fact there are dozens of Daleks pursuing these humans through corridors and yet they seem to be limited to firing one shot every twenty seconds. Additionally, why did they even invade the ship Stormtrooper style (another lift)? They could have just blown it to kingdom come. Either Rusty would have been obliterated (Daleks don't care, Daleks don't give a shit) or he'd have floated around in space and just been picked up by his mates.

Also, the first episode. Why was Clara having this whole, "I don't know who you are" quandary? She'd been in his timestream, met all of the Doctors. She, more than anyone, should have a pretty good understanding of what he's all about.
 
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Grizzlebeard_sl said:
While I'm very much liking Capaldi's portrayal of the Doctor so far I still have grave concerns with Moffat's involvement. I'd imagine that I'm probably older than a bunch of you so seeing constant nods to things from my childhood ranging fromThe Numskullsin the Hitler episode to the Inner Space/Fantastic Voyage homage in this last episode is starting to wear a bit thin. Although, the biggest issue I have with Moffat's writing is that he constantly ignores his own canon in favour of closing a plot loop. Daleks are portrayed as these supremely intelligent and calculating killing machines and yet we have ole' Rusty wheeling up to a bunch of them and blasting them all to pieces without one so much as getting a shot off at him. Or the fact there are dozens of Daleks pursuing these humans through corridors and yet they seem to be limited to firing one shot every twenty seconds. Additionally, why did they even invade the ship Stormtrooper style (another lift)? They could have just blown it to kingdom come. Either Rusty would have been obliterated (Daleks don't care, Daleks don't give a shit) or he'd have floated around in space and just been picked up by his mates.

Also, the first episode. Why was Clara having this whole, "I don't know who you are" quandary? She'd been in his timestream, met all of the Doctors.She, more than anyone, should have a pretty good understanding of what he's all about.
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Good point, heh.

I'm going to take a wait and see approach to this new season. So far though...meh.
 
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Additionally, why did they even invade the ship Stormtrooper style (another lift)?
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Why not? Daleks do enjoy their exterminating
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It occurred to me this morning that the opposite of Male is Female, and Master would be Miss. Or Missy... Would be a cracker if he regenerated into a woman after fighting Rassilon and stole another TARDIS before Gallifrey was snatched up.

The character is just too insane to be Rani, although I still suspect it is.
 
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Maester Chuk_sl said:
so have we all agreed that missy's garden is another TARDIS that she calls heaven?
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I doubt if everyone agrees, nor should they. But it looks like it to me personally. And why bother having the Doctor materialize his TARDIS around a person 1 second before they die in this past episode if not to remind people it can be done? It's been a part of the show for 30 years that the Doctor is a TERRIBLE TARDIS pilot, having failed the course at the Academy, and the Master (and presumably the Rani) were both brilliant pilots. So it's possible a Time Lord/Lady could do it without the Doctor noticing.
 
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Jait_sl said:
I doubt if everyone agrees, nor should they. But it looks like it to me personally. And why bother having the Doctor materialize his TARDIS around a person 1 second before they die in this past episode if not to remind people it can be done? It's been a part of the show for 30 years that the Doctor is a TERRIBLE TARDIS pilot, having failed the course at the Academy, and the Master (and presumably the Rani) were both brilliant pilots. So it's possible a Time Lord/Lady could do it without the Doctor noticing.
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It does seem that the people involved are actually dying, with one body left behind and another vaporised, so there's a bit more going on than snatching them away just before they snuff it, perhaps some kind of alternate timeline. Someone's assembling a collection of people that the Doctor's responsible for killing.
 
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As we have seen examples of how much space is "inside" the Tardis, it could be that Missy is a manifestation of the time vortex inside the Tardis trying to do right by the people/things that have to die in the line of the Doctor doing what he does. Which would also explain the "boyfriend" references.
 
Phazael

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I think the problem is Clara was never really a good solid companion. She was just good eye candy and a generic young woman companion to replace the Ponds. Once Capaldi has some time to grow into the role and gets a real solidly developed companion, things will pick up. I already am into this season because of the apparent Valyard and Rani angles they seem to be tracking towards. The newer companions, with the exception of Jack, Donna, and maybe Rory, have been kind of lackluster quite honestly. They have mostly been babysitters or foils for the existing Doctor to play off of, with little in the way of their own backstory. Clara, as stated, was made to play off of Smith's old man in a young man's body routine and she did well enough with that. Most companions get swapped out fairly quickly after a regeneration for that very reason. In fact, Sarah Jane is the only one that made it past one season with a new Doctor. They need someone with a backstory to them, like another Turlough, Ace, Nyssa, or Romana. Just not someone who takes over the whole show and makes it about them like the Ponds kind of did.

Remember that the only new doctor who really hit the ground running on all cylinders was Smith, who for my money is the best one since Baker. Tennant is over rated, propped up by prepubescent girls who wish they were Rose Tyler getting sonically screwed by him. I liked a lot of Tenant episodes, but really he had no sense of fun the way Smith and Baker did and the only really standout episodes with him mostly either involved the Master or were Xmas specials. You could really see it (at least I could) in the 50th when he was more or less getting dominated on screen by Smith and Hurt chewing up the scenery. He was a great Young Adult Book version of the doctor, but not really anything similar to the kind of whimsical schemer the classic (and Smith) Doctors were. I guess that may be why he was so popular.

Ecclisen may as well have not existed. I felt like I was watching Men At Work doing Doctor Who. The story lines were bad and corny even by Doctor Who standards. They overused Rose a ton, which is something the River haters seem to forget conveniently. And the whole romance storyline was dumb, too. The only solid episode was the gameshow planet one.

TLDR; People grumping about Capaldi need to remember who lackluster Tennant's start was in the part. The dialog is worlds better than the first few episodes of either Ecclison or Tennant.
 
Phazael

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Grizzlebeard_sl said:
While I'm very much liking Capaldi's portrayal of the Doctor so far I still have grave concerns with Moffat's involvement. I'd imagine that I'm probably older than a bunch of you so seeing constant nods to things from my childhood ranging fromThe Numskullsin the Hitler episode to the Inner Space/Fantastic Voyage homage in this last episode is starting to wear a bit thin. Although, the biggest issue I have with Moffat's writing is that he constantly ignores his own canon in favour of closing a plot loop. Daleks are portrayed as these supremely intelligent and calculating killing machines and yet we have ole' Rusty wheeling up to a bunch of them and blasting them all to pieces without one so much as getting a shot off at him. Or the fact there are dozens of Daleks pursuing these humans through corridors and yet they seem to be limited to firing one shot every twenty seconds. Additionally, why did they even invade the ship Stormtrooper style (another lift)? They could have just blown it to kingdom come. Either Rusty would have been obliterated (Daleks don't care, Daleks don't give a shit) or he'd have floated around in space and just been picked up by his mates.

Also, the first episode. Why was Clara having this whole, "I don't know who you are" quandary? She'd been in his timestream, met all of the Doctors. She, more than anyone, should have a pretty good understanding of what he's all about.
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They more or less established that Clara's mind got jumbled from the experience after she was rescued. She barely recalled meeting an after image of Hurt in the 50th, for example.

With regard to the Daleks, one of them turning on another is pretty much inconceivable to them and they have (in the past) have a hard time dealing with aberrations in their own ranks. They are, despite their genocidal nature, flatly against killing their own which is why the Dalek Asylum existed in the first place. They even refused to kill Davaros for reasons along those lines. As far as invading the ship, they like killing people directly to satiate their hatred for other life forms, which was also touched on within the episode. Parts of that mentality were addressed in classic episodes when they were fighting the Cybermen and Movellans.
 
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I agree Phazeal. The biggest problems in the new series so far and the end of the last series is the lack of a strong companion and shoddy writing/plotting.

Clara was good enough for what she was (Amy Pond 2.0) for the end of Smith's run, but even then she never had the connection with the audience or the Doctor that Pond had. I mean the two lines that Amy Pond had in the Tardis for Smith's last episode absolutely destroyed anything that Clara brought to the table from an emotional and payoff perspective. The problem is even more evident now with the new Doctor. He doesn't need a little girl to take care of, he needs a strong companion who knows who they are even if they don't always like their situation. Someone like Donna Noble who is more of a partner and is along for the ride because they find the adventure of exploration to be the most thrilling thing. No romance, or making the Doctor central to their world.

Capaldi is actually getting me to like this version of the Doctor a lot. He's pulling off the first Doctor who doesn't have the burden of using the moment on his shoulders and is therefore more apt to take the harsher route very well. The problem here is that the writing has been weak for the most part and the episode plots fairly uninteresting. Despite that I actually am liking this darker doctor much more then the first two Doctors from the NuWho series. I still to have to give Tennant props for his last line of "I don't want to go," as one of the more powerful endings for a Doctor. Smith is still right up there with Baker for me as well.
 
Chris

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Did they forget about the new/taller/primarycolour/pure Dalek race by the way? Was that just a gimmick to sell toys or something?
 
Chukzombi

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Did they forget about the new/taller/primarycolour/pure Dalek race by the way? Was that just a gimmick to sell toys or something?
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yeah, they actually looked cooler and no doubt the dalek operators loved the extra room. Seems they wrote the new cult completely out of the story
 
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They used to pop up every now and then. Mostly hundreds of normal Daleks with one or two 'new' Daleks for firepower.
I'd be fine if we never saw them again though.
Then again while I'm typing this, didn't the crack in the universe have something to do with bringing the old Daleks back?
 
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I also thought it was odd that at the end of the new Dalek story, they just went off the take over the universe. Every previous time travel enabled Dalek story had them almost wiped out again at the end. They did show up at the Dalek Asylum so don't think they got wiped out of continuity by wibbly wobbly blow up the universe at the end of every season shite.
 
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