DOTA 2

Noodleface

A Mod Real Quick
38,642
16,694
Like I said I tried it when DOTA1 first hit the scene, my whole guild was playing it on off-hours from raiding. I never loved it.

I read the guides because when I tried LOL I just opened the game, joined a game, and got berated for the entire duration. That was really fun!!!! No wonder I played two games of LOL and uninstalled it.

When I started DOTA2 I wanted at least some clue as to what I was doing. IIRC I think I wound up with Clockwerk as my first hero, no idea what his abilities or anything were. I did end up getting first blood and even felt like I did decently. Every game after that was shit and I found myself just getting bored.
 

Pyros

<Silver Donator>
11,313
2,420
Well I don't think the genre is for everyone, if you tried it a few times and don't like it then that's that, just like people don't like Minecraft or MMOs or whatever else.

When I started I played with friends a lot so they showed me the ropes and the type of game is basically perfect for me, I play one game, get raped, do research to get better, play a few more, get raped, do more research etc. There's so much content, rules, room for improvement and such that it is basically the perfect type of game for me.
 

an accordion_sl

shitlord
2,162
8
I dont think anyone started playing dota reading guides, because when dota was on wc3 there was no guides unless you were a hardcore dota player and you knew of maybe 1 or two sites that laid out a guide, clan TDA was the spot for dota if you didnt play there you didnt matter.

but if you have never played a MOBA like he has stated then yes you need to read up so you have the slightest clue as what the fuck to do theres no space for you to take up in a public match if you have no idea what to do, you will get flamed and you wont have fun.
uh, playdota was advertised on the load screens, that's where I initially got replays and read guides


edit: not saying I went straight to guides, spent a lot of time just playing and learning heroes and their abilities
 

Jozu

Bronze Baronet of the Realm
6,986
6,295
I did build a scepter that game. Only reason I tried a Mojlnir on her was because it turns her into a super aoe machine. Not just for killing creeps but with her attack speed passive and the 80+ attack speed from the lightning hammer the chain aoe becomes much more effective. If you cast her flame, stun, and then flame again, and then just let her auto attack with 3 stacks, she is fucking scary. Just her auto attack damage alone melts anyone thats bunched up, on top of her aoe nuke ability and huge single target nuke.

Was fun crushing Meepo with that build.

edit: And every game I play in low tier pubs is usually 35-50 mins long. I almost never have a short game. Maybe its because the lower skilled players arent as good at warding and pushing/coordinating. So thats why my item accumulations seems out of whack sometimes because almost every game I play takes forever.
 

TecKnoe

Molten Core Raider
3,182
51
uh, playdota was advertised on the load screens, that's where I initially got replays and read guides


edit: not saying I went straight to guides, spent a lot of time just playing and learning heroes and their abilities
I dont really remember anything about wc3 loading screens.
 

Pyros

<Silver Donator>
11,313
2,420
I dont really remember anything about wc3 loading screens.
When you load dota, the loading screen isn't a WC3 loading screen, it's a cool looking illustration of heroes by kunkka, and there's usually stuff about who won the last major tournaments and the playdota website. Also technically to download the dota map you have to go to playdota usually.

rrr_img_32801.jpg
 

TecKnoe

Molten Core Raider
3,182
51
was it always like that? i honestly dont remember ever going to a site to get my dota, i just got it from other people but yeah this is a long ass time ago.

and i also didnt extensively keep wc3 installed for dota i played it when i was into wc3 and when i got out of wc3 i just gave up dota.
 

Pyros

<Silver Donator>
11,313
2,420
was it always like that? i honestly dont remember ever going to a site to get my dota, i just got it from other people but yeah this is a long ass time ago.

and i also didnt extensively keep wc3 installed for dota i played it when i was into wc3 and when i got out of wc3 i just gave up dota.
Maybe early on it wasn't, been like that for several years though. I guess before 6.48 or so it was still not icefrog doing everything and it was hosted somewhere else and shit so it wouldn't be linked then.
 

Cybsled

Naxxramas 1.0 Raider
17,420
13,926
Lots of gamers in WC3 would kick you if you downloaded in-game (hell, I think half the games usually had "no DL" in the title), so downloading the latest DOTA version from the website helped avoid getting booted because you took a long ass time to download the map.
 

TecKnoe

Molten Core Raider
3,182
51
Maybe early on it wasn't, been like that for several years though. I guess before 6.48 or so it was still not icefrog doing everything and it was hosted somewhere else and shit so it wouldn't be linked then.
yeah i dont ever remember awesome screens like that... i did give up early on wc3 so like i said once i was done with that my interest in dota faded because it was just a UMS.

yeah i remember that cybsled, but some did have the "sleeping, download map" i also got it from other clan TDA members.
 

Jozu

Bronze Baronet of the Realm
6,986
6,295
Is Templar not used in pro games?

She seems pretty ridiculous if not kept under wraps. A lot of heroes are like that I guess but her especially. She does remarkable damage without having to be higher lvl than her opponent nor does she really need many items. Basically treads and Deso.

Meld into refraction attack had me literally 2 shotting people of equal level. She seems out of hand, but maybe its just a low tier thing?
 

TecKnoe

Molten Core Raider
3,182
51
Is Templar not used in pro games?

She seems pretty ridiculous if not kept under wraps. A lot of heroes are like that I guess but her especially. She does remarkable damage without having to be higher lvl than her opponent nor does she really need many items. Basically treads and Deso.

Meld into refraction attack had me literally 2 shotting people of equal level. She seems out of hand, but maybe its just a low tier thing?
from what i recall, she was picked a TON but then had a nerf to refraction? which made her fall down the ranks, but could be something else.
 

Dandain

Trakanon Raider
2,092
917
Is Templar not used in pro games?

She seems pretty ridiculous if not kept under wraps. A lot of heroes are like that I guess but her especially. She does remarkable damage without having to be higher lvl than her opponent nor does she really need many items. Basically treads and Deso.

Meld into refraction attack had me literally 2 shotting people of equal level. She seems out of hand, but maybe its just a low tier thing?
She's also a hero who has very specific counters, and you have to understand how to play against her so you don't just get raped by refraction. Urn Charges, Heroes with dot skills like veno or viper or qop. She is a situational pro pick, and that situation has to do with how robust refraction is because she doesn't automatically win every lane middle.
 

Pyros

<Silver Donator>
11,313
2,420
She has a few counters but mostly she disapeared because the nerf hurt her laning a lot, it increases the mana cost on refraction by like 20, which is a huge amount for a spell you're supposed to spam to win your lane. Also bottle crow was nerfed after that and that didn't help. She's still picked every now and then though, like I'd say in the last week she was probably picked 6-8times maybe? I remember one extremely bad TA last pick where enemy team already had bat rider AND treant, was pretty sad.
 

Jozu

Bronze Baronet of the Realm
6,986
6,295
She has a few counters but mostly she disapeared because the nerf hurt her laning a lot, it increases the mana cost on refraction by like 20, which is a huge amount for a spell you're supposed to spam to win your lane. Also bottle crow was nerfed after that and that didn't help. She's still picked every now and then though, like I'd say in the last week she was probably picked 6-8times maybe? I remember one extremely bad TA last pick where enemy team already had bat rider AND treant, was pretty sad.
So basically anyone with a dot or multiple instances of small amounts of damage nullifies refraction, which in turn greatly decreases her survive ability. Seems about right. SO basically dont bother with her unless the enemy team has little to do dot capability. Slowly learning who to pick to counter certain heroes.
 

Pyros

<Silver Donator>
11,313
2,420
So basically anyone with a dot or multiple instances of small amounts of damage nullifies refraction, which in turn greatly decreases her survive ability. Seems about right. SO basically dont bother with her unless the enemy team has little to do dot capability. Slowly learning who to pick to counter certain heroes.
At a pub level a great TA player will still wreck a shitty counter, and TA is a very snowballish hero so if you get a good start somehow, you can rape the rest of the game single handedly. But yeah she has counters, back when TA was considered first pick, Dark Seer was the most common counter used, but it's not a 100% matchup. Bat was also used when he wasn't banned, but again not a 100% counter. Venomancer and Jakiro solo mid were also used and it kinda worked sometimes, depended a lot on the TA player though.

However if the enemy team has any of these going mid AND treant to put living armor on them, there is basically 0 chances to win the lane as TA with the bottle crow nerf. That's because TA can generally still manage to beat people who drop her refraction by abusing her deceptively long range and superior damage to chip at people and possibly dive them to finish them. All of this is pointless against Living Armor and she can't even remove the charges quickly so you basically do 0dmg for 5hits in a row and it heals up any sort of preparation harass, so yeah.

There's a ton of heroes that were very good and still are but aren't played competitively anymore though. Earlier we were talking about Riki. Funny enough Riki was considered a top tier counter pick back when AM/Morph/QoP were all the rage. This time is kinda coming back with a ton of AM/Qop picks(morph not so much), so at some point it wouldn't be unlikely to see Riki come back to the scene to wreck some people. He does poorly vs Naix though and not so good against Gyro/PL so makes sense he disapeared for a while. Another hero that used to be everywhere and you rarely see anymore, Panda Brewmaster(which was also a pretty decent mid against TA as a side note). Part of it is because he sucks against casters like Puck and Qop, but he's still a very good hero against say a Dragon Knight or a Beastmaster mid(granted you don't see beastmaster that often anymore either), basically melees.

Dota competitive picks are often based on trends and sheep mentality, as well as recurring meta counters(meta is x, then everyone plays y because it counters x, then everyone players z cause it counters y, then everyone finds out that x actually counters z so it goes back to that). It's pretty fun to watch over long periods.

In pubs though, everything is viable. Like literally everything.
 

Noodleface

A Mod Real Quick
38,642
16,694
I decided to give it another whirl, found myself playing for hours haha. I tried skeleton king and I just don't like him. Went back to clockwerk and just really enjoy playing him, no idea if he's even any good but I find his mechanics interesting. Had a game where one dude on voice chat basically coached me to victory. Next game some dude was pissed at me but when he found out I was new he coache me too. Much better reaction than I got in LOL.