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Pyros

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My pal and I were talking about how jungle ing usually doesn't work out in this patch. Was there a nerf?

Fuck alliance.

Big game this morning, finally going to get a litmus test for evil genius
I don't think it's jungling not working and more early game fighting being a lot more important now so you need strong heroes to fight in lanes and shit, due to kill xp/gold changes, especially with the ability to quickly TP to a lane to help, which junglers tend to suck at(low on mana to sustain jungling or shitty ass neutrals that move slowly across the map). Jungling is really greedy also in this meta, pushing early towers is also not as valuable as it used to(so chen/enchantress/enigma early pushes are so so) and they make it hard to stack for your cores since they need to use the jungle themselves especially if some camps are warded/there's a stupid fucking bounty hunter in the game(who's also making your jungling a lot shittier by just hanging around you). And then I guess the good jungling heroes aren't that great in this meta, or when they are(dark seer/doom), they're better off in lanes anyway.

On the other question, Nyx and Lion are picked sometimes, rarely. Lion's early game is considered too weak to be a very consistent pick and Nyx I think it's more when people want to counter certain int heavy compositions and can't get a better offlane. Not particularily with Dark Seer though, it happens I'm sure but it's not really high priority, there's a lot of aoe stuns you can use to do the same thing, including top tier picks like Lina, Tusk, Rubick, Witch Doctor, Winter Wyvern etc.
 

Luthair

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IOn the other question, Nyx and Lion are picked sometimes, rarely. Lion's early game is considered too weak to be a very consistent pick and Nyx I think it's more when people want to counter certain int heavy compositions and can't get a better offlane
Nyxx was picked quite often at TI3, but for some reason they nerfed his stun to ground cast rather than hero. This made it surprisingly hard to hit so his pick rate dropped off a cliff.

Holy crap the crits, if he goes rapier...
 

Pyros

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Will the EE meme be relevant again?

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Genjiro

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Synd called out RTZ for being a dumbass and was right. Run up, spin creep wave, derp get trapped with ice shards.

Happened multiple times and they killed him at the beginning every time. 2ez indeed

PPD should have never given them Huskar over brood imo since they had last pick, easier to counter brood than that cheesy shit. Not to mention dumbfuck RTZ would do shit like Omni Huskar at the beginning of the fight with like 30 armor from weave on him.
 

Julian The Apostate

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Great series. I'm hoping for EG vs Secret grand finals.

I don't really like the ember picks. I just don't think he's great until he gets 5-6 slotted. Even with divine and no crit it was underwhelming. Also love the dazzle huskar combo.
 

Gravel

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I'm really hoping that OG can knock out EHOME. I want to see OG vs EG, and then I could go either way on who plays Secret.

I also said the same thing about Ember yesterday. Krag said he's got a 59% winrate at the Major though.
 

Genjiro

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Racist!

I agree though, fuck the ching chongs. They rarely deviate and pick the same shit every time, least EG Secret, OG will pick somewhat differently. Meepo Tiny etc, but I do guess EHome changes it up some as well, or at least did today.


"EHomes strategy is to have tanky cores and support-y supports to cover the burst".....................................fuck listening to Purge talk about anything. Tier 3 scrub who washed out of a bad Korean team. Haha now Merlini is making him sound stupid.
 

Genjiro

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Massive outdraft by Ehome.

1) Dont give Cty QoP, hes an all-star on this hero, better than anyone imo

2) Drafting Ember with Doom in the pool is just asking to get shit on.

They are just ignoring Tiny, Doom ES, and then just kill everyone else