Dr. Mario's Retard Rehabilitation Program

Status
Not open for further replies.

lurkingdirk

AssHat Taint
<Medals Crew>
46,164
211,350
lurkingdirk, why don't you teach those things without the mysticism? There's nothing about a nice group of friends, good moral lessons, or discipline thats inherent to religion. It's just good parenting/social scene.
I'm not saying they can't come without the church part, but the church part makes those things easier to achieve. Sorry, but it's a captive audience that gets together weekly, and forces some of that.

It's entirely possible to encounter all these things without church. That's not how I live my life. I don't know a way to live my life according to my convictions and hide that from my children. They see who I am, where I go, what my social life looks like, and all those things. They're all related to my congregational involvement. Not out of necessity, merely because that's the community my wife and I have forged for ourselves. Our kids have social circles outside of church, and we encourage those. We have friends outside of church, too.

I am in no way saying the only place to encounter the things I'm describing are at a church or mosque or synagogue. It's pretty easy to find them at those places, though.
 

Cad

scientia potentia est
<Bronze Donator>
25,345
48,555
lurkingdirk, no insult intended, and maybe it just belongs in the religion thread but whatever, can you explain to me the basis of your beliefs? Like, why do you believe in this particular religion, what made you believe in it, why do you continue to believe in it, etc.
 

iannis

Musty Nester
31,351
17,656
I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school, communion, confession, confirmation. I received all the sacraments, save for a priest's penis. I am now an atheist, but still a huge asshole. Is that residual Catholicism or just natural asshole?
I was kicked out of Catholic school because I wouldn't pray (I remember that the chapel REALLY creeped me out as a young child. So I just played dead. Hey, worked for Jesus.) and my father apparently laughed at a Nun.
 

AngryGerbil

Poet Warrior
<Donor>
17,781
25,897
lurkingdirk, no insult intended, and maybe it just belongs in the religion thread but whatever, can you explain to me the basis of your beliefs? Like, why do you believe in this particular religion, what made you believe in it, why do you continue to believe in it, etc.
It's hard to break away from the herd when all your friends and family are in it. Takes courage.
 

iannis

Musty Nester
31,351
17,656
lurkingdirk, no insult intended, and maybe it just belongs in the religion thread but whatever, can you explain to me the basis of your beliefs? Like, why do you believe in this particular religion, what made you believe in it, why do you continue to believe in it, etc.
Well, it starts with tradition. It has to start somewhere, doesn't it. My parents were Christian and so I am Christian. That's a real thing, and it's a thing that it seems like a lot of you are finding highly objectionable. I get it, I even agree somewhat -- that can go very very badly (breeding enclaves, exploitation of children). But that only sticks for about fifteen years -- it's not a cause of great concern.

Around puberty, and sometimes before, children start to ask religious questions. Actual religious questions which they can understand the motive of their own asking and understand the answer to. Not the childish spiritual questions, "Do dogs go to heaven?" So that initial tradition and, if you want, indoctrination has to be reinforced. There's a lot of ways that it can be. Some of the more negative ones such as a strict authoritarian call to obedience is a tactic that I think we can ALL object to. But if the belief cannot reinforce itself through any other means, it's not much of a belief now is it. Not worthy of further thought or investigation, certainly not worthy of diligence. It seemed for a while that the authoritarian call was the only tactic. That authoritarian tactic drives away the best minds when used against them by weaker minds. Luckily for the faithful, it isn't the only one. Unfortunately it is the most commonly used one. Among muslims it's worse, but Christians are just as guilty of "BECAUSE I SAID SO". That philosophical reinforcement starts there... sometime around puberty, sometime around where the mind goes from "childlike" to "less childlike". It starts there and it may take an entire lifetime. It probably should take an entire lifetime.

That's not the only reinforcement. There is also practical reinforcement. The community. Family, friends, strangers you meet who profess the same belief. Shared work, shared struggle, shared success. These are little tiny things. So very small that each alone seems inconsequential. Little things that happen that you forget, but they make their mark. That one guy you meet who just seems like probably the nicest guy you've ever met and you just don't understand how the fuck he manages to actually LIVE that way... that one time at the grocery store where a lady needed a jump in the parking lot and you just happened to have cables, so you helped her and she said "Bless you" and she actually meant it... just little things that sediment and stratify and harmonize with the philosophical reinforcement that is also an ongoing process. Omens. The way an animal looks at you sometimes. Very little of this is completely rational so it's very hard to describe in word symbols. And that is truly troublesome to a rational mind. But you've had these moments in your life and they have reinforced a particular belief that you hold -- perhaps a belief in your own freedom. Good on ya. Everyone has these moments.

If I'd been born in India I'd probably be a Hindu. And probably not a whole lot of my day-to-day philosophy would be all that different. But I wasn't born in India, and I'm not a Hindu. And there are some parts of my day-to-day philosophy that would be VERY different. Faith is a choice. How could it be otherwise? We are free willed creatures.
 

iannis

Musty Nester
31,351
17,656
Breaking away from the herd can indeed be difficult, I imagine. Luckily I've never had to deal with it. Some of the stories you Mormons tell are FUCKING WEIRD TO ME.

What seems would be even MORE difficult is to not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Break away from the herd, yes, but retain the essential goodness that they have lost. If you don't believe they've lost their way then why are you breaking away from the dumb mother fuckers in the first place?
 

Kriptini

Vyemm Raider
3,675
3,572
There was a statistic I heard in my church a long time ago - not sure if it's true or not - about how 80% of kids raised Christian lose their faith by the time they enter college.

I didn't fall into that 80%, though. My faith has only gotten stronger.
 

Izo

Tranny Chaser
19,374
23,255
There was a statistic I heard in my church a long time ago - not sure if it's true or not - about how 80% of kids raised Christian lose their faith by the time they enter college.

I didn't fall into that 80%, though. My faith has only gotten stronger.
Maybe if you pray hard enough it will come to you. Remember, you're the special chosen one.
 

Izo

Tranny Chaser
19,374
23,255
No, I'm not spending my time finding an article to please you.

It's not Carmel, and two of the four blue ribbons were won after 2003, and they have never nominated themselves for any.

Students do NOT have to take religious classes.

Non-religious schools from Washington, Colorado, New York, and other places buy their curriculum.

So, criticize how I'm raising my kids all you want. I find you irrelevant.
I accept your capitulation.
 

khalid

Unelected Mod
14,071
6,775
I don't get you Iannis. If you realize that if you were born in Indian you would be Hindu, that there is nothing at all special about your faith, then why do you have any confidence whatsoever that your faith is real?

Is it totally just a cultural thing? If so, then you really are just an atheist that likes to go to church.
 

Izo

Tranny Chaser
19,374
23,255
I got a parking ticket for parking in a free parking zone at work, 75 usd. Do I pay it, waste time writing to the parking authorities, pray, all of the above?
 

khorum

Murder Apologist
24,338
81,363
Vikings raped too. Don't believe all that recent tumblr bullshit about radfem vikings. Even the shieldmaidens did their fair share of christian-pegging.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.