LOL Like these ridiculous posts? Like any of the posts where I invited you and the devoted Obama fans like you to disprove the burden of 17 years of outright incompetence and dishonesty? Those ridiculous posts?
I mean those IDEALS and your CONVICTION that "conservatives" want to throw the poor and disadvantaged out into the cold when you have been showed PRECISELY that the conservative position of privatization have been PROVEN to improve the lives of billions of human beings across the world. THOSE Ideals. THOSE convictions.
But what did you give us then? Did you admit that your immoral welfare state solutions have been a tragic blight that has imprisoned American poor in a hopeless cycle of despair? Did you admit that american poor folks would in fact be better off if they were able to move their social security funds into robust 401k and IRA programs instead of a moribund government disaster? Did you admit that public housing program in the USA has proven to be a horrific disaster and that the privatization programs in places like Chicago's CHA has realized improvements in two years that FOUR DECADES of public housing couldn't begin to accomplish?
Did you even TRY to acknowledge that the USA runs the largest free public healthcare system in the world and that it is exactly as dysfunctional and in DIRE need of privatization and actuarial regulation as all the other socialized systems that are switching to privatization AS WE SPEAK? Did you even TRY to discuss how bankrupt and ineffective Obama's "healthcare proposal" is? Did you address the fact that if the current federal healthcare budget (including the VA) was converted into a voucher program that the poor folks in this country would be given voucher checks that is over FOUR TIMES MORE than the average national employer healthcare expense of $12,000 a year?
No actually, the appropriate response would've been the presentation of reputable evidence that SUPPORTS your claim that Obama's career shows us a person that resembles the glittering soros' image of a man that can SERVE your interests or even BELIEVE in your causes when in fact his history shows nothing but the worst sort of political vermin imaginable.
The appropriate response would've been to criticize the REAL conservative position of privatization, competition and INDIVIDUAL EMPOWERMENT instead of pretending that your second-hand socialist certitude about the "rich white man out to get you" has any fucking basis in reality at all. The appropriate response would've been logic, reason and the vigorous discussion of the FACTS.
But we can't blame you. No facts exist that could portray Obama as a competent, earnest and sincere politician, the record for that simply isn't there. No facts exist that the New Deal socialist welfare state has EVER DONE THE POOR OF THIS COUNTRY ANY GOOD except for caging poor folks in living conditions that would disgust sub-saharan villagers and locking children in an inescapable disaster of an education system.
No facts exist that any of those IDEALS and CONVICTIONS you pretend to care so deeply about are anything other than the empty promises of a demagogue who sold his integrity to hostile interests almost two decades ago.
Oh look, IRCunt has something important to say so he has to pretend MSNBC can articulate his vacuous faggotry any better than he can.
Too bad he's wrong.
Listen, Buckwheat, the worst president, as in the president who deregulated the energy industry and allowed Enron to abuse the trust of the American people and the ONLY president to have been impeached in 130 years, will be in the DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION.
George Bush, the man who has earned the undying gratitude of one of the most persecuted people in history and whose decisive action compelled the nuclear disarmament of rogue states like Libya and North Korea will most certainly be celebrated at the Republican Convention. Why wouldn't he be? Was he impeached or even challenged in court or something?
There you go slipping on your own dick-flavored drool and hurling yourself down the stairs again...
You don't think at ALL retard. You didn't think when you misplaced Al Gore. You didn't think when you sputtered your faggotry about Tennessee. And you didn't think when you exposed your vicious bigotry and total fucking ignorance with every post. Why should believe you're thinking now?
You have NEVER shown any evidence that you can think and type at the same fucking time. You tink we shud trys to aknolge him nyuk nyuk? You think the people who IMPEACHED Bill Clinton for being a traitor to this country hold him at 65% approval rate? The 110th congress couldn't get a meaningful charge on GWB but you expect anyone to buy your bullshit fucking "Mass Murderer" cunttalk at all?
Hey Kunta Kinte, we ALL see the moveon.org and mediamatters feeds mmmmkay, you're not fooling ANYONE with your purloined "inside infoz" and in fact all you're doing is reinforcing the growing conviction that you've never really had a REAL conviction in your hollow skull that wasn't put there by some dumbass Obama propagandist.
All that across two pages in the middle of the thread in the course of about 10 posts.Wrong. You have PERSISTED in the bankrupt belief that SOCIALISM---the belief that altruism and charity is the domain of the STATE---is anything other than the disastrous wreckage of history that it is. You have PERSISTED in that stupid and insipid notion that the profit motive is somehow "evil" and "nefarious" when the whole world stands testimony to the fact that human ambition and self-interest has conquered poverty and oppression wherever free market reforms are welcomed. Socialism collapsed under the weight of its own lies almost two decades ago and you're still there clinging to the CHILDISH BELIEF rich white dudes in "suits" and their pursuit of "profit" is the root of all evil.
That's EXACTLY the sort of uncritical second-hand bullshit I've always railed against Kolle. The PROFIT MOTIVE has transformed China from the disastrous wreckage of the "Great Leap Forward" into the most miraculous economic transformation in Human history. The PROFIT MOTIVE has allowed the broken and starving survivors of Mao's socialist vision to produce the fastest creation of a bigger middle-class than at any other point in history. The PROFIT MOTIVE took 300 million people fout of poverty into a world-class growth economy.
You __KNOW___ why I keep mentioning what I said in that quote. Because you keep pretending that the fucking welfare state has ever done any fucking good for the poor people in this country while in fact New Deal socialism has done nothing but keep poor people living like animals in the ghettoes and poor kids in useless schools and keep poor folks stuck in a social security retirement system that is MATHEMATICALLY DOOMED TO FAIL while rich folks get to retire ten years earlier because new technologies and innovations make 401k's and ROTH retirement plans perform light years better.
But here you're gonna accuse ME of "ridiculous posts" while you have failed to elucidate on anything other than this trite "fuck the suits!" bullshit? You think __I__ give a shit on those "suits"?
No, noone has EVER cheered for the suits, the conservative position has always been about personal choice, individual dignity and economic transformation through robust competition.
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No we've discussed healthcare into the ground because you and EVERYONE who tried to present anything POSITIVE about your so-called advanced fucking nations have always had your own bullshit shoved back down your throats. What "NONSENSE" do you think I've said about healthcare when in fact I supported Kerry's plan for an incentive-based privatized system? Was it NONSENSE that meaningful reform for our healthcare system simply isn't possible without Actuarial Regulation.
Oh wait, is Actuarial Regulation too complex a subject for you? Until you went on this "FUCK THE SUITS" diatribe, I didn't realize how shallow and simplistic your grasp of this and any other social issue truly was. Maybe that explains why you think "simplifying" the explosive growth and robust innovation centers in our lifesciences industry into a bloated and inefficient socialist monstrosity is a good thing.
No, the truth is we stopped discussing healthcare because we've all been shown how socialized healthcare sytems DON'T work better than our system in the US and that even when socialized healthcare DOES work, it even works better in the US like in the VA.
We stopped discussing healthcare because we've seen that your so-called "advanced countries" are so tragically behind in quality of care even in the best-performing socialized British system that an American has almost a 25% BETTER chance of surviving prostate cancer than a patient in the British system (98.4% in the USA vs. 74.4% in the United Kingdom). We stopped discussing healthcare because in your so-called "advanced countries" women had at least a 7%-10% higher chance to DIE of Breast Cancer than in the USA. That chart is from the OECD's own citation of the Commonwealth Fund's own report.
Ultimately it's because of that performance that we we stopped discussing healthcare in your "advanced countries", because those very same "advanced countries" have been moving AWAY from the moribund and ineffective socialized healthcare solutions and have been privatizing their healthcare systems to improve quality of care to that of the US system. Even our hoser neighbors up north have been seeing a grass roots revolt by their OWN DOCTORS and caregivers to improve the quality of their institution by privatizing their own facilities.
We stopped discussing healthcare because you never HAD any solid evidence of how "advanced" those countries really were, because they weren't. In fact we stopped discussions about socialized healthcare because it's becoming clear that those socialized healthcare systems were busy privatizing to catch up with your "bloated" and "broken" American system.
Why are those British and Canadian doctors so desperate to move to a more similar system that Americans already enjoy? Is it simply to make the "suits" even richer? No, it's because SELF-INTEREST and the profit motive is precisely what has driven innovation, improved efficiency, raised survival rates and SAVED LIVES.
What was ridiculous about Rezko's content? Are you denying that fact somehow? Are you denying the evidence shown by the London Times and the Chicago Tribune about Obama's history of pandering to every whim Rezko muttered? You've never disputed that and I've always been respond to any questions about the matter but it seems your only defense is "SO WHAT?!? NOTHING'S HAPPENED". But a federal prosecution takes its own pace and NOTHING could have happened until the first conviction has been secured.
And now that Rezko is behind bars we really DO see momentum, the next wave of indictments have JUST come out (over a month after Rezko's) including the doctor that helped Rezko manage the Public Health contracts that he sold to blackmailed contractors. Exactly the sort of state contracts that Obama spent his entire career procuring for rezko. Anyone who thinks Obama won't be implicated in this is even more deluded than the usual Obamaniacs.
So the goal post got moved from me being a dishonest debater to you not reading and claiming victory based on nothing at all.a_skeleton_03 we've moved on. 100 people won't be enough genetic variation to survive and perpetuate the species. That's the end of that discussion. Thanks.
Draegan always gives hard sentences. Maybe he's compensating for something? He 'should of' taken moderator classes from Tubro or Soybro - or refrained from moderating altogether from the start.Hell let's just go back a year or so ago to Araysar verbally abusing people on this forum regularly, and rarely being shawed for it, and especially not being outright shawed for it without a few warning infractions being thrown first.
Or how Tanoomba shit up the gamergate thread for 9.5 months and got shawed one single fucking time in that entire time for it.
I don't exactly understand how this is relevant. This isn't FOH, so rules aren't quite the same. Draegoof runs the place, and he tells you not to post in a certain way, yet you persist in doing so because "this is the way it has always been and other people do it too, and if you punish me for doing what you've told me not to, I'm going to go on a tirade in the shaw." And even in your example of another poster who does what you do - you say he rarely gets in trouble for it, meaning sometimes he does.Let me ask you something, Lurking.
Do you recall the days of FOH when Khorum and IRB would argue about politics, yes or no?
Do you remember what those threads looked like?
The massive walls of Khorum just eating IRB alive, 5000 word posts full of red links just ripping him to shreds, filled to the brim with outright verbal abuse?
Cause I sure do.
And NOTHING WAS EVER DONE ABOUT IT. He was rarely, if ever, shawed for it. Rarely infracted for it.
Very heated, prolific debate was the norm.
My posting habits here are a fraction of a percent of that. Your memory may be too short to recall it, but mine isn't.
I've already been in the workforce in my life. Posting here has nothing to do with what I'm like in person.I like to imagine hodj entering the workforce after he finishes school, arguing with all his coworkers ad nauseam, even staying late to get the last word in when one of them mistakenly says something wrong about something.
Nuh uh!Takes two to tango.
Can the fantasy involve mutual masturbation?Nuh uh!
Don't ruin my fantasy of you with facts, hodj.
He gives 3 points. Direct shawing. Girth, not length, you cuntHard sentences like a 48 hour shaw, lmao.
O Izo you are such a strange little man.