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I think the dudes in the white suits with the pink spice gas during the ceremony on Caladan were the Guild Navigators.
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I think the dudes in the white suits with the pink spice gas during the ceremony on Caladan were the Guild Navigators.
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Those shouldn't be the actual navigators, the navigators should be in giant tanks and there is generally only one per ship I believe.
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Yep. Sardaukar are super tough, essentially proto-Fremen because Salusa Secundus, the Emperor's prison planet, is so tough.
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Drinsic
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They said they were representatives of the guild, but they clearly weren't full blown navigator mutants.
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Lynch had the same thing, there was a scene where a representative of the guild talked into a translator and expressed their anger at the lack of spice. While a navigator was floating in a big tank behind him.
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Drinsic
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And there are clearly more than 3 people in white suits with spice gas helmets (or whatever you want to say those were), so yeah, those weren't the navigators.
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At the end of the book when Paul meets with the Emperor, the two guild agents with him are navigators. The only difference in appearance from normal humans was the blue eyes were so dark they were almost black. Eventually, navigators end up living in spice gas filled rooms on their ships and start changing. Their bodies become elongated, with finned hands and feet. In Dune Messiah, Edric is is described as looking like a humanoid fish.
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Denamian
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I carried the books around with me constantly in junior high, reading in between and sometimes during class.
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Kirun
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Wew, lad. Now here's a guy who hasn't seen a lot of vaginas in his day.
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Zapatta
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I carried the books around with me constantly in junior high, reading in between and sometimes during class.
Oh I can 1Up that no problem, I was reading all the Elric books in 7th grade. Walk around with a cover saying MOORCOCK in junior high and see how much fun life is. Glad I moved on to Howard and Conan eventually.
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Good eye, yeah, they were most likely from the guild. As others have said, not sure if they'd be the actual navigator since he's supposed to be in a huge tank--but they were probably the adherents who run around and take care of the navigators.
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Denamian's explanation is a great summary. Herbert modeled a lot of this after early feudal periods, not late (Which is what most people's perception of feudal is from, IE "I am the state").
If you want more specifics that might be spoilery, click.
In that framework, the King/Emp has a plurality of power (IE the most powerful) but he doesn't have the majority of all power. Many other forces could team up to take him down, so he has to constantly work to keep them from doing that. (Either by appeasing them, or pitting them against each other. In the film, we see both (Appeasement and conflict)--but only the pitting of the landsraad against itself is shown overtly. In reality though he's also APPEASING The Guild.)
And the exception to the above 'he's probably the strongest' is probably The Guild--overall its power is probably more than that of the Emperor. But its soft power. You could kind of think of it like the Catholic Church, or OPEC or like the banking industry of the reinesance. They don't have any hard power (Troops/military) but they control the economy, so really they can get any source of hard power on their side by promising tons of benefits. In Dune specifically, they are the only ones that can get people between planets--so if they cut off your systems, your economy is fucked. If they choose not to transport your troops, your military is fucked. However, they have no real troops and can't actually go down and force people to do things (IE no hard power).
So the Emperor is their go-to guy for this, and a big concern of his is ensuring the Guild never looks elsewhere for that kind of 'hard power'. (And this sprawls into a huge behind the scenes political framework, where you eventually see the guild didn't keep armies intentionally so they'd be overlooked as a source of direct power and be free to manipulate more from the shadows. Mainly because all they care about is ensuring spice production and don't give a shit about anything else.)
And the exception to the above 'he's probably the strongest' is probably The Guild--overall its power is probably more than that of the Emperor. But its soft power. You could kind of think of it like the Catholic Church, or OPEC or like the banking industry of the reinesance. They don't have any hard power (Troops/military) but they control the economy, so really they can get any source of hard power on their side by promising tons of benefits. In Dune specifically, they are the only ones that can get people between planets--so if they cut off your systems, your economy is fucked. If they choose not to transport your troops, your military is fucked. However, they have no real troops and can't actually go down and force people to do things (IE no hard power).
So the Emperor is their go-to guy for this, and a big concern of his is ensuring the Guild never looks elsewhere for that kind of 'hard power'. (And this sprawls into a huge behind the scenes political framework, where you eventually see the guild didn't keep armies intentionally so they'd be overlooked as a source of direct power and be free to manipulate more from the shadows. Mainly because all they care about is ensuring spice production and don't give a shit about anything else.)
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when people say Emperor in this thread I think there is also some confusion.
in books 1-2 the Emperor aka the Padishah Emperor aka Commander of the Saurdukar is just a normal dude who has some power but isn't really important. He might be in 2-3 scenes in movie 2 but its not a hugely pivotal role, just the ceremonial figurehead of the Empire that Paul Atreides is fighting against. The Princess Irulan, the hottie chick in the 1984 Lynch movie who is the narrator (with the floating face) at the start is his daughter, in 2021 Dune Paul briefly mentions her in talking about what his next steps are near the end, whether getting off planet or staying on Dune.
people also constantly mention in this thread The God Emperor, that is a VASTLY different person that books 3 & 4 revolve around. Its not really worth talking about him for now, he is many movies (or TV shows) away and thousands of years in the future of the series.
hopefully we see some news out of WB today on part 2, sadly DenisV has said no directors cut of the movie exists
www.cinemablend.com
There are tons of unused hours of footage, maybe some of it will make it to part 2
in books 1-2 the Emperor aka the Padishah Emperor aka Commander of the Saurdukar is just a normal dude who has some power but isn't really important. He might be in 2-3 scenes in movie 2 but its not a hugely pivotal role, just the ceremonial figurehead of the Empire that Paul Atreides is fighting against. The Princess Irulan, the hottie chick in the 1984 Lynch movie who is the narrator (with the floating face) at the start is his daughter, in 2021 Dune Paul briefly mentions her in talking about what his next steps are near the end, whether getting off planet or staying on Dune.
people also constantly mention in this thread The God Emperor, that is a VASTLY different person that books 3 & 4 revolve around. Its not really worth talking about him for now, he is many movies (or TV shows) away and thousands of years in the future of the series.
hopefully we see some news out of WB today on part 2, sadly DenisV has said no directors cut of the movie exists
After Jason Momoa Calls For A Dune Director’s Cut, Denis Villeneuve Has Responded
Denis Villeneuve responds to call for a "Villeneuve Cut."
www.cinemablend.com
There are tons of unused hours of footage, maybe some of it will make it to part 2
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