Dune: Part Two (2023)

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Honestly, I've wondered if the prophet from book 3 was frank's way of dealing with the dismay of all the retards who would abuse his books after he dies. Someone as smart as him had to know this was coming.
 
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Honestly, I've wondered if the prophet from book 3 was frank's way of dealing with the dismay of all the retards who would abuse his books after he dies. Someone as smart as him had to know this was coming.
What do you mean by this? How does the character of the prophet address posthumous retardery?
 
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You may want to re-read book two. There was a side story where the minor character Paul Atreides was targeted with a weapon that had the potential to destroy a planet with enough fuel in an assassination plot. Those weapons definitely exist in Herbert's dune. The frank one, not the fake one.
Huh, ok fair enough. I've only read book 2 maybe twice because it's by far the weakest of the originals IMO. The point about their use still stands though. Whether that's a hole in Herbert's original writing is up for debate I guess.

That was the stone burner, an atomic weapon that had the fun side effect of destroying eye tissue. If given enough fuel, it could burn it's way down to the core of a planet. It's what (technically) blinded Paul, but he kept on going by relying on what he saw in his visions until the end of Messiah.
 
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That was the stone burner, an atomic weapon that had the fun side effect of destroying eye tissue. If given enough fuel, it could burn it's way down to the core of a planet. It's what (technically) blinded Paul, but he kept on going by relying on what he saw in his visions until the end of Messiah.
Right, right. "J-rays" that specifically target eye tissue and (apparently?) nothing else? Yeeaaaaa.

Really what this is is that Frank wanted to blind Paul in his downfall arc and had written himself into a corner in how to go about it. He's too powerful to get a disease or cancer or whatever, sees too much for assassins to get close, is too good a fighter if they DID manage to get close, sooo, wutdo? I got it! Tailored nuclear radiation!


Frank's gotten me a couple of times before in having factual bases for what seems like impossible weirdness, so I'll leave it to others to look up how this is actually totally a thing IRL. He's like the Alex Jones of weird SciFi concepts.
 
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I liked the Body shield concept in the movies, they needed to explain them better.


weirding modules in the orig movie not so much. Personally i think the modules used basic sound as the vehicle of destruction...vibrational frequency. Since the shields let air thru, vibrating air is let thru, thus Bypassing the shield protections..ie the modules are a new weapons tech. Which is why the emperor destroys the atradies family, they had -at that time- no defense against the weapon, to protect his power, the house must go.

As to dune 2 I disliked chani's depiction in the role, too adversarial to paul, and they didn't portray their "love story" well.
 
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Right, right. "J-rays" that specifically target eye tissue and (apparently?) nothing else? Yeeaaaaa.

Really what this is is that Frank wanted to blind Paul in his downfall arc and had written himself into a corner in how to go about it. He's too powerful to get a disease or cancer or whatever, sees too much for assassins to get close, is too good a fighter if they DID manage to get close, sooo, wutdo? I got it! Tailored nuclear radiation!


Frank's gotten me a couple of times before in having factual bases for what seems like impossible weirdness, so I'll leave it to others to look up how this is actually totally a thing IRL. He's like the Alex Jones of weird SciFi concepts.
I never got the impression it only damaged eye tissue. Just that it also especially damaged eye tissue.

I interpreted it as some specialized kind of nuclear reaction that caused massive damage ("stone burner") but that also its radiation was especially damaging to eye tissue.
 

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Right, right. "J-rays" that specifically target eye tissue and (apparently?) nothing else? Yeeaaaaa.

Really what this is is that Frank wanted to blind Paul in his downfall arc and had written himself into a corner in how to go about it. He's too powerful to get a disease or cancer or whatever, sees too much for assassins to get close, is too good a fighter if they DID manage to get close, sooo, wutdo? I got it! Tailored nuclear radiation!


Frank's gotten me a couple of times before in having factual bases for what seems like impossible weirdness, so I'll leave it to others to look up how this is actually totally a thing IRL. He's like the Alex Jones of weird SciFi concepts.
I mean, we have eye drops that specifically target and repair degenerating eye cells. Why couldn’t they have the reverse of that in the far distant future? Hell I bet we could do this now if we wanted to.

 

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coulda had a real girl


I don't care for the new one, and don't think that half breed is good looking, but the other makes you look like a pedo.

Maybe Hollywood just realized hey that's pushing it.
 
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I don't care for the new one, and don't think that half breed is good looking, but the other makes you look like a pedo.

Maybe Hollywood just realized hey that's pushing it.
pump the brakes a bit bro, she's 21.
 
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pump the brakes a bit bro, she's 21.
Really? I have no idea who that is. Bitch looks likes she's 16 or something in the Twitter deal.

Why are you also White knighting pedo Hollywood?

Even if she is old enough, she still looks way way Young. That's pretty creepy.
 
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Would have been an improvement but the hairs still wrong. Chani had red hair as did her daughter. I dunno why this is suddenly so hard for Hollywood to figure out.
 
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Would have been an improvement but the hairs still wrong. Chani had red hair as did her daughter. I dunno why this is suddenly so hard for Hollywood to figure out.
Well redheads are target #1 for didn't earn it replacement but I don't recall Sean Young or Barbora Kodetova being redheads either.

Leaving aside that Vilenueve turned her father into a black woman, how the fuck would Chani have red hair in the first place with no red haired ancestors? Her father and paternal grandfather were sandy blondes, her mother had brown hair, her maternal grandfather sure wasn't a ginger, and I don't see any visual reference to her grandmothers.
 
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I'm a pretty huge Dune nerd but I'm gonna have to confess I do not know the hair color of Chani's parents or grandparents. Either you're making shit up or I bow to your superior knowledge of the Dune universe. Either way I can't contest the point.
 
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I'm a pretty huge Dune nerd but I'm gonna have to confess I do not know the hair color of Chani's parents or grandparents. Either you're making shit up or I bow to your superior knowledge of the Dune universe. Either way I can't contest the point.
More like my superior knowledge of how to look things up on the Dune wiki, I haven't even gotten around to reading the books yet.
 
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So after hearing about the mutilation of Chani's characterization, seeing clips of it, reading about the "Fundamentalists in the South" (All white btw) and having noped out of the movie once before after 5 min when I saw the other Fremen in the movie LAUGH at Stilgar's faith in Lisan-al-Gaib, I finally decided to go all in a bad day and bear down and watch this.

TLDR: This isn't a good review but more a collection of bitches.

Good grief what a wasted opportunity for a great movie, instead its an OK movie by a director with Amazing! talent who's narratives often seem to fall short of his visual abilities. The movie looks amazing but is a terrible adaption of the book/story.

Low expectations met.
-After a great Part One, almost every scene with Chani was ruined for me. Zendaya is a fine actress (I guess) but her constant scowling and skepticism make literally 80% of her scenes, particularly with her gayish Jewish gal pal, unwatchable. They should have just named her "Kareni" "Libral al Bitchi" meaning "I want to speak to the planet manager". I assume the over time Chani gal pal hating him less was supposed to give some arc to Paul's acceptance into the Fremen but did they? I mean they finally gave him a name but was he *really* a part? Did he think of himself as a Fremen? More on this later. They finally made her a little likable then they killed her to give more screen time to Feyd. Edit: This woman would have made a better Chani.

-Paul's constant I am not the Madhi shtick. Look: Peter Jackson's writing some humility into Aragorn worked because he is insanely competent every time he is on the screen, and Viggo has the gravitas/mileage to carry it and make his reluctance look like well-earned self-doubt. I love Timothee Chalamet; he is an insanely good actor but can't make the first act hesitation look like anything but cuck bitchiness. He is a great Kwitsatch Hadaerack in act 3, though. I think the writing fails everyone here; while the script has an arc showing his growth with the Fremen, it leaves out his becoming Fremen, both them adopting him and he adopting them, which was a huge part of the book. His encounter with the Emperor, which in the book and especially in the Lynch version feels like this great payoff, feels rushed and strangely unsatisfying.

- Paul goes native, and to write him as using them misses a huge point of the novel. There a few lines that pay lip service to the concept of "today you become Fremen or you die" when he learns to ride the worm but I can't think of another time where its mentioned; the rest of the time he speaks as an outsider. See Chani's whole fucking character. It's more "Modern Audience" Political BS seeping into the movie, why we can't have nice things, etc. And Despite training for years and proving himself multiple times in combat already, he has to have his mother save him early on, and well as Chani. Did the audience forget the first movie already FFS? He doesn't need GrrrlPwer, he's literally the Chosen One they spent 90 generations trying to make and then planting the seeds for which on the planet. The Lisan-al-Giab can't be a native-born Fremen, it's literally "the voice from the outer world"; all of Chani's liberal arts college bullshit is just grating. Why didn't Paul just say "We aren't Colonizers!!" Wait, he didn't say that, did he? So much early stupid dialogue I may have blocked it out.

-"We will be Harkonnen"- What a fucking let down. Great, its revealed in later books that Paul is part Harkonnen, part of the Bene Gesserit breeding program, so lets spoil that here for what? Nothing. Paul does nothing different than he would otherwise. It feels like a "Let's be bad guys" moment but for what purpose; other than more future sullying up Paul.
-Paul never gets a tan while living in the desert; his skin color never changes. I mean, Harkonnen's are Black Sun Vampires I guess but they don't live in the deep Desert.

-The art direction and the direction overall in this are first class. Dennis V isn't a great narrative person, see this movie and BladeRunner 2049 but he can sure as fuck make beautiful movies.

-Fuck all the time spent on Giedi Prime. Who cares? Feyd is another Harkonnen Psycho but more of a threat than Rabban, Waaaay too much screen time, although Austin Ekler(sp) does a great job in the role, Lispy pale people don't scare me, Thanks Tika Wahtiti.

-After the initial meeting, they more or less ruined the reunion with Gurney and by they I mean Chani.
-The slapstick argument about the family atomics. Just WTF. Making Stilgar a dick for almost no reason. See also the trapdoor spider/Jinn comments: "DUNE MOVIE IS CULTURALLY AWARE LIBERAL WHITE PEOPLE DONT GET MAD".

I could do this seemingly all day but its just an endless supply of bad decisions, where Part One felt good in the decisions they made with a few exceptions (cough/Kynes/jamis);
-Speaking of Jamis, WTF with this dead made-up black guy? Why are we still talking about and to him near the end of the movie?

Villaneue still has a great eye and art direction, some scenes were great but this one fell so short of expectations after the get setup from the first. It's just a collection of little things that didn't need to be there, pulling elements in from future stories and outside commentary to make Dune something it isn't on the page. "IT'S A CAUTIONARY TALE; PAUL ISN'T A HERO", well maybe that was Herbert's intention but he didn't put it in the first book.

It's like, hold on, Woke Execs, with Part One we are going to stay close, we are really going to fuck it up with Part Two. Stay excited! So now they are making a third movie. The Bad news is you have to like and care about Chani for that to mean anything, no one knows Alia at this point because you didn't really introduce her, you already scuffed and bitched up Paul making his sacrifice at the end seem less so. Who the fuck knows what they are going to do with the story.

Sad.
 
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I was going to say I can't blame vilenuevue because he made a beautiful film. But he is credited as a screenwriter too, plus he probably cast zendeya so he can fuck right off.

I do not regret seeing it in the theater though. It really was a pretty epic visual masterpiece even with an ass storyline and ugly girlfriend.
 
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