Adebisi
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Dune: Part Two (2023)
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Mahes
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Leadsalad
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Aldarion
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I think Timothy does fine for a young Paul. Paul wasnt a musclebound action star or something.
They never get to older Paul in these. I don't think he could have pulled that off. I thought even by the end of Dune II he was starting to feel out of place.
But just nowhere near the bucthering Chani got
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Big Phoenix
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Completely pointless changed that where at best done merely for woke retardation points to at worst massive character changes that make the story dumb.
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Aldarion
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Watched em both. Didnt fall asleep too many times.
In terms of destroying the source material, they're no Wheel of Time or Rings of Power.
But theyre no Game of Thrones Season 1, either.
You know you can critically evaluate - and even criticize - a work while also getting some enjoyment from it? Its a thing
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Gavinmad
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Chalamet doesn't have anywhere close to the gravitas needed for the role, Kyle MacLachlan and Alec Newman both did far better. He's nowhere near as bad as Zendaya who just sounds like the talentless zoomer she is in every scene she's in but in particular listening to Chalamet at any point after Paul takes the water of life is just unbearable.
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rhinohelix
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Watch Chalamet in "The King": He absolutely can be young Paul. If he's not, its the director's/script's fault. Just like Austin Butler is an amazing actor but I hated this imaging of Feyd. Zendaya may not be a good actress but this iteration of Chani is all on the page. Villeneuve can be a great director but after this and BladeRunner 2049 I am not ssold on his vision as a director. He makes beautiful movies but his writing/adapting/vision isn't great.
Gavinmad
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I've heard good things about Chalamet in the past so I'm provisionally willing to chalk up his mediocre performance as Paul to VileNewWavey being wildly overrated as a director. He was good at churning out critic bait early on, I'd argue the success of Sicario and Arrival were due to writing and casting more so than direction, and Blade Runner was a gorgeous trainwreck.
Not sure what "all on the page" means with regards to Chani. Zendaya is fucking awful and this version of Chani is fucking awful.
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Mahes
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We are seriously going to agree to disagree about Bladerunner 2049. That movie was about as good as you could have gotten.
I very much enjoyed Dune 2. Zendaya was the only part that I felt was over played. I thought the scenes with her and Paul getting to know each other were good. The rest of it where she is constantly pissed gets way to much time in the movie. They could have cut 10 minutes of her out and the movie would have been the better for it. Yes, one could argue for cutting her completely out but.....
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Drinsic
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That'd be a pretty poor argument, for Sicario anyway, considering its sequel, Sicario: Day of the Soldado (what a fucking terrible title), had the same writer (Sheridan) and the best parts of the cast (Brolin and Del Toro). It was significantly weaker than the first film.
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Big Phoenix
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Dune isnt a turn your brain off and enjoy the lights mcu affair.
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Adebisi
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rhinohelix
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We can discuss 2049 in its own thread, how it basically violated the Bladerunner world to tell its own weird, terrible, noir-ish story, if someone who didn't know what noir was trying to make a noir/noir-esque movie but the first one was, you know.
As far as Dune 2 goes, in addition to ruining Chani, played terribly by the Z-girl, they also didn't get Paul; DV pulled a bunch of elements forward from Dune Messiah into the story of Dune because "modern audiences" etc. What I meant by "on the page" was the each character was played by the actor as they were written and as the director wanted: Zendayah's Chani is cunty because in addition to her limited skills, the script didn't give her much with which to work. Paul's characterization is also wrong; he is a bitch and too self-aware until he drinks the Water of Life. Aragorn's change from book to movie works because Viggo makes the reluctant hero seem plausible; he is courageous in the moment but this mantle as king seems distant and removed for him. His ancestor the last King was 3500+ years ago, known only from story and failure, succumbing to the One Ring.
With Paul, making him reluctant doesn't work in the same way. He was directly the Duke's son; he has seen the power being wielded and can see the future and the past; The reason given in the Dune movies ("I see holy war spreading across the universe like an unquenchable fire. A warrior religion that waves the Atreides banner in my father's name" for me at least doesn't carry the same weight. I absolutely hated the North/South Fremen setup. Feyd also felt wrong to me, his whole lispy affectation seemed weird and off. The fight with Feyd was also not great; the whole second battle sequence was just OK.
I am just rehashing my many complaints about the movie; which was OK divorced from the book as I have said previously but not amazing in its own right. For me, DV is a good director, technically talented but I don't think his command of story or theme puts him in the same class as Nolan or other greats.