EQ Classic? Not really.

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pointyboot_sl said:
as much as i appreciate YL's work and can't wait to play, i wish he would just let us know wtf the game plan is already.
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I think he is going to put this whole thing together and present it to SOE again. Something here is not adding up. He made complaints about people running a server, but not being the "shepherds" of the code and thus neglecting the project because of that. Also the fact that he doesn't want to give source info to anyone.

Giving someone the ability to create a server with his source, but without his involvement in the hosting of said server does not make you magically invulnerable to liability.

Have to take risks to be successful.

I want this server to work and I am anticipating a true classic experience. But something isn't right here...
 
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Agree,

And the sad part is I feel sorry for anyone that does host it, because EMU's seem to attract the scum of the earth as far as players.

If sony could host, and charge for accounts, and run active hack detection, and have proper independent in game policing of rules then the magic of EQ would be found again.
 
Xarpolis

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YL's personal goals are to make a SoD-type server that he will run. Harakiri, on the other hand, is the "Up through Velious" type.

YL just sees a server that only ever encapsulates 3 expansions as having a permanent stop point. Realistically, there is only so much someone can do with a server that will come to a halt (content wise) at some point. Sure, plenty of people will play, but there is an end in sight. With more custom content, such as a SoD style server, you could release content at your own convenience, and make for an ever evolving experience. Within reason... You're still limited by the zone file availability, and what zones the server code will recognize.

I know that the 2001 Trilogy Client that EQC is using does in fact recognize Luclin zone names (as well as Veksar). However, it becomes a risk to YL personally, if he chose to host the zone files for those that are not present in the classic client. *shrugs* Time will tell. In the mean time, we can continue to refine the game mechanics to assure that everything is correct.
 
Muligan

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Uber Uberest_sl said:
You just described EQMac.
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This... I really don't understand people's desire for one EMU after another. If you want to get SoE's attention, everyone should flood the EQMac server since they announced they were keeping it alive free of charge. At least it's on their radar and it even has Smed's attention. The day that community fought and Smed agreed to support it, everyone should have ran to that server just to show him what we wanted. It stopped, in my opinion, that last solid expansion EQ offered us. The community is great. People are always helping and supporting one another.

I would love another EQClassic as much as the next guy but I just do not think it gains us anything in terms of the big picture. If that's really a goal in terms of this server.
 
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The progresion server popularity should be enough to show SOE how popular the "classic" EQ experience is.
 
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Uber Uberest_sl said:
You just described EQMac.
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You truly think that Sony uses resources etc towards back detection on eqmac? Pretty sure cheating there is t difficult... And while some blatant cheaters have been reprimanded, I imagine there's quite a few still out there.
 
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Muligan_sl said:
This... I really don't understand people's desire for one EMU after another. If you want to get SoE's attention, everyone should flood the EQMac server since they announced they were keeping it alive free of charge. At least it's on their radar and it even has Smed's attention. The day that community fought and Smed agreed to support it, everyone should have ran to that server just to show him what we wanted. It stopped, in my opinion, that last solid expansion EQ offered us. The community is great. People are always helping and supporting one another.

I would love another EQClassic as much as the next guy but I just do not think it gains us anything in terms of the big picture. If that's really a goal in terms of this server.
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i would play eqmac but the boxing is insanely out of control there

its not classic at all the way F2P bot armies stroll around AoE clearing zones and soloing dragons and gods.
 
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Swagdaddy_sl said:
i would play eqmac but the boxing is insanely out of control there

its not classic at all the way F2P bot armies stroll around AoE clearing zones and soloing dragons and gods.
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Pretty much.

Boxing has become all too accessible with today's tech vs. what we had in '99-'02. I remember getting a second box running EQ at around Kunark release and there were only a handful of people doing that, at that point. Now, with software like Isboxer, or even without it, you can box 3-6 toons without any issues. Another thing that you have to consider is the fact that we used to pay $15 a month back then per client. EQMac doesn't help that any retardo can load up 6 clients and not have to pay for any of them.

Unfortunately, EQMac is not the answer. To relive the glory, the game will either have to be pay-to-play to limit boxing (Sony run) or regulated a la P99 or SoD (privately run).
 
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EQC's approach would be to allow boxing in the form of 1 running copy of the game per computer. If you have more comps, you can box.

But he is dead against scripting. So let's say you work at a help desk or something and have access to 50 computers, you would not be able to have 50 accounts in game that are playing themselves. He has some way to detect scripted game play. I don't know what that is, but he figured something out.
 
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But thats the fucking problem with games like EQ, though. Yeah its all nice to play one character, but if you log on and cannot find a group in a relative short time, what are you supposed to do? Log off and play something else, hope tomorrow you can hop in a group?

This is why people want to box, because fuck dealing with all that. Not to mention it basically takes like 2-3+ characters to fully engage someone anyways with EQs simplistic and long drawn out combat.
 
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that's why the servers that allow boxing have 50 people and the one that doesn't has 800 people

becuz the games just shit without boxing right?

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Eh.. the only time I see boxing is in grind groups. It never really interferes outside of someone throwing a buffer outside the group. With MGB throughout the day I would say the groups that I have been in have been 1 out of every 5 groups have a box or a buffer for brambles.

I understand the complaint but i'll take the occasional box over some of the stuff I've tolerated on EMU's over the years.
 
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There are no box armies killing Gods. Hell we took out Tormax Sunday and Gorenaire Tuesday afternoon. Don't use false generalizations on the server. I rolled my warrior a couple days before Christmas, Im 65 with 172 aa's and have done it all non box. Im also in the top raiding guild and wearing Time/EP gear.
 
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yeah cause Tallon and Vallon Zek are such iconic uber raid mobs
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I heard someone also boxed tower bosses in Bastion of Thunder, the humanity!
 
Swagdaddy

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point is people do box gods/dragons and AoE clear zones all the time, also PL box their toons instead of grouping

if anyone here is being dishonest its you fags minimizing how much the free boxing is being exploited on eqmac
 
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YL is smart. While the content of EQC might be close to a classic experience, it cannot use the IP to the "purest" extent or will face lawsuit. Now what exactly is "pure" is very vague so if done correctly, a user would really not see a difference.

It's sad SOE would not move forward with a partnership on this. Its a cash cow waiting shit all over the place from us schoolers feed gobs of money to it just so we can to relive 2000-2002 again (ass/sup is camped, gtfo). VH1 has learned this and makes a mint on "Best of 00's" countdowns we get hooked watching every 2-3 months, even though its the same freaking songs. There is no telling how long they could start a new server and charge people. Not to mention the target population income brackets are probably 5-10x more... so feel free to charge $20 / month.
 
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Zacx_sl said:
yeah cause Tallon and Vallon Zek are such iconic uber raid mobs
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I heard someone also boxed tower bosses in Bastion of Thunder, the humanity!
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Boxing in any form, against anything, if done in mass, destroys the social aspect of the game.

Requiring community intervention in everything you do is what makes EQ thrive. Boxing destroys this.
 
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mkopec_sl said:
But thats the fucking problem with games like EQ, though. Yeah its all nice to play one character, but if you log on and cannot find a group in a relative short time, what are you supposed to do? Log off and play something else, hope tomorrow you can hop in a group?

This is why people want to box, because fuck dealing with all that. Not to mention it basically takes like 2-3+ characters to fully engage someone anyways with EQs simplistic and long drawn out combat.
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And this guy does not see the philosophy in what made EQ work.
 
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