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There was a hint when Smed' successor made some kind of mention of reverting back. I can't remember the actual details but I know I read something like that?
Do you have any contacts left there?
Well they have done likely zero final art with their voxels, they've just been building the engine all this time.
All their combat models, enemies, class mechanics, prop models, etc. would still work in a non-voxel world. The only thing they are throwing out is the destructibility and random dungeons.. which doesn't seem like a huge loss given how much world is required to make it look good anyways.
They could keep all the sandboxy elements and not have destructibility and it would still work.
All their combat models, enemies, class mechanics, prop models, etc. would still work in a non-voxel world. The only thing they are throwing out is the destructibility and random dungeons.. which doesn't seem like a huge loss given how much world is required to make it look good anyways.
They could keep all the sandboxy elements and not have destructibility and it would still work.
Any contacts at DBG would be stupid to reveal info.. If it came out somehow, they'd be fired.
There's no way DBG will cancel EQN.. It's too important to them. It's going to have to be the cornerstone game once H1Z1 starts to wane. Frankly, the longer they take, the better. The longer it takes, the less chance they're shoving something out the door unfinished.
The real issue with the destructible world is pathing. You can do it in a single-player game, but it's just not possible when you have to send out that constantly regenerated pathing data to every client in a zone. It becomes a gigantic bandwidth and latency nightmare.
There's no way DBG will cancel EQN.. It's too important to them. It's going to have to be the cornerstone game once H1Z1 starts to wane. Frankly, the longer they take, the better. The longer it takes, the less chance they're shoving something out the door unfinished.
The real issue with the destructible world is pathing. You can do it in a single-player game, but it's just not possible when you have to send out that constantly regenerated pathing data to every client in a zone. It becomes a gigantic bandwidth and latency nightmare.
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I don't get the silence and all the people leaving the project. If they reappear with a different version than promised, people are going to complain. It really is a no win situation with this now but it's largely in part to the lack of transparency they've had with the support base.
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We both know that's not the least bit true. People are going to complain no matter what. It's what we do. The silence is no different than the silence over at Pantheon Land. They had lots of transparency early and that did nothing for them. Well, besides receiving tons of ridicule because the game didn't look 'EQ' enough. I'm not saying this game will ever release or will ever be good if it does. Losing lots of people never looks good. Getting dumped by Sony looked really bad too. But your post is funny in a ridiculous way.
zzeris
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For that to actually be true...there would have to be a massive crowd of people anticipating EQN and it's amazing new take on the genre. There's no such group. It doesn't exist at all. Who's keeping up with key features that were pushed when they were SOE? EQN is whatever they end up making it.
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Anyone following the game was keeping up? You're making a weird argument.. The expectations for the games features were set and announced to the public. The game was largely sold on those 2 key features. It's a huge problem for them and they most likely know it...that's probably why they've stfu. They are probably trying to figure out what really is feasible and what's not..
As for the unsupported fan base comment you made, there are a lot of people who don't care for EQ or it's features who were interested in EQN based on those publicly announced core features. Plenty of people posted in this thread with general curiosity b/c they were attempting to do something different.
As for the unsupported fan base comment you made, there are a lot of people who don't care for EQ or it's features who were interested in EQN based on those publicly announced core features. Plenty of people posted in this thread with general curiosity b/c they were attempting to do something different.
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Remember when blizzard cancelled titan and everyone thought it was because it couldn't compete with EQN
zzeris
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Convo,
I don't really get your point. At one time, this had the support of Sony, a lot more people on the team, and was really pushing to be something different. The new reality is that the AI people are gone, lots of senior leadership is gone, the golden cow is gone, etc, etc, etc. Most people would rightly believe this game may never happen or would have to be scaled down.
I dont really think a lot of people have some enormous expectations of 'what they sold to the public'. I just don't find that the least bit realistic. I also don't think there are a lot of people interested in this at this point either. From what I've been reading...this is the level of Pantheon in many people's eyes and that's not far above vaporware.
I don't really get your point. At one time, this had the support of Sony, a lot more people on the team, and was really pushing to be something different. The new reality is that the AI people are gone, lots of senior leadership is gone, the golden cow is gone, etc, etc, etc. Most people would rightly believe this game may never happen or would have to be scaled down.
I dont really think a lot of people have some enormous expectations of 'what they sold to the public'. I just don't find that the least bit realistic. I also don't think there are a lot of people interested in this at this point either. From what I've been reading...this is the level of Pantheon in many people's eyes and that's not far above vaporware.
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Okay, except they have professionals, a studio with a lot of hardware and staff that can get shit done, a lot of assets and design docs, etc. Pantheon has nothing of all these things.
Now, don't get me wrong, it may be vaporware, but I think DBG gave a thought or two about purchasing SoE before paying cash for vapor, I believe they had a good idea about what was usable and what was shit in a can. They cleared up up the house, including the same prominent figures that were always considered by this community "useless" or something close to that definition.
As I said, I think they went completely silent and people left in the office received orders and are forced to shut the fuck up about every little thing involving their games, unless they want to look for a new job (at the very least). They'll probably abandon voxels, but maybe not, I'm not sure how many tech gurus and engineers they are left with from those who originally worked on this project that have a chance of pulling it off.
I played EQ from late 1999 to early 2004, so let's say 3 and a half years, then I played EQ2 on and off for a total of 1 year, give or take a month or two, meanwhile I played WoW for its whole existance, which is now 11 years (in Europe it was released February 11th, 2005). I feel a lot more connected to Azeroth than I was to Norrath, but I'd still buy an EQ game if it was even just half decent. They literally need to make good classes, ala Vanguard and original Norrath, possibly seamless (because immersion dictates that!) and I'd play the fuck out of it. Tank, healer, dps and suppor, so pretty much copy the old classes and give them a faster gameplay if they can't come up with anything different.
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Voxels or not, if the game is decent lots of people will play it. EQN is the only "AAA"-MMO in development i can think of. Sell it as buy-to-play with the usual ingame-shop and they can make a lot of money. Will it have staying power? Probably not, but they will make their money back for sure...
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You don't see it bc your argument is nobody cares. Which is obviously your feelings on the game. If it reverts back to EQ3 with some seeds of a SB vision, I'd be happy but there are people at this point just not expecting that and will shit all over them for not delivering. But that's par for the course in this industry anyway.
Pantheon far from vapor.
How do you know people are leaving the project unless they've left the company completely? There's a lot of conjecture here that's been repeated as though it was fact. One of the things that was a big part of the plan before I left was to try and make teams completely fluid and flexible. If a need arose on team A, people would be shuffled to resolve that need, and then moved around once the need no longer existed. The idea of a set in stone dedicated team was being changed. With the reduced number of people at DBG, it became necessary to be more flexible in staffing.
This nonsense seriously needs to die. The "AI" people are gone because it was a lot of smoke and mirrors. It never worked and was nothing more than theorycrafting. Time and time again, they were asked to demonstrate their ideas in a working fashion, and couldn't deliver. What they really wanted was someone to buy the company and ideas. This is why they company folded shortly after SOE/DBG stopped working with them. They had nothing to actually show.
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B/C all the recognizable names are gone. regardless of why they left, they are still gone. I think it's just Micheal's at this point? Maybe that's a good thing but the so-called "visionary's" of the project are no longer working on it.
I guess some of these people are still on it.
Director of Development: Dave Georgeson
Technical Director: Steven Klug
Senior Programmer: Greg Spence
Senior Producer: Terry Michaels
Producer: Emily Taylor
Senior Art Director: Rosie Rappaport
Lead Game Designer: Darrin McPherson
Creative Director: Jeffrey Butler