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Ambiturner_sl said:

That's just nostalgia. By the time Kunark came out, everyone had full planes gear, 2 ssoys, fbss/cof/rbb, etc.... but EQ didn't have great design when it came to item rarity.

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I'm starting to think you didn't actually play EQ...

Ambiturner_sl said:

That's just nostalgia. By the time Kunark came out, everyone had full planes gear, 2 ssoys, fbss/cof/rbb, etc. You have to remember most of those items weren't nodrop so they eventually became very affordable once the market was saturated. And the big quest lines for things like epics had you waiting for ridiculous amounts of time in zones that were trivial for you.

I've never seriously played wow, so maybe it's gone too far in the other direction, but EQ didn't have great design when it came to item rarity.

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You are so full of shit its not even funny. Prior to Kunark coming out most people did NOT in fact have full fbss / cof / rbb. Majority of people hadnt even gotten into the planes yet and one was a clear bug where you could have a guild get level 1s up there to loot the planes armor and that was fixed shortly. In fact, with the spawn timers , there would be no way for "everyone" to have CoFs even if one dropped on every kill by that time.

If you are going to try to make a point then make it, dont just make up shit to try to justify your position.

Daidraco_sl said:

Are you comparing retail EverQuest to Project1999 or something? I dont know what server you played on, but there was an insanely small minority of players that were full planar, with a CoF and double yaks at the release of Kunark. Much less the <1% that had sky items. PoF > PoH > PoS werent in at release, mind you. (Druids were the only class I clearly remember being full planar because they could kite PoF Mobs). It was only until a few months had passed into Kunark, that classic items started to saturate EC tunnel. At least, somewhat comparable to what you're implying.

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Outside of PoS gear that 1% figure is nonsense. I wasn't even in a hardcore guild, but we all had full, or close to full, plane gear. Considering the planes were on a 12 hour respawn and they would drop 3-4 pieces per class per run, it really didn't take any more time/effort than current games.
And if you factor in the ridiculous amount of time that would be spent doing CR and buffing to get everything going you realize what little content there really was. I can't imagine a game being released today with that kind of set up being accept by a wide audience.

But really it looks like most people here refuse to even consider that it's just nostalgia and maybe they're perfect game really wasn't so perfect. There's a reason EQ at it's peak had under 5% of the population as wow

I am starting to think most the people here didn't do the Planes when they came out..... and sat begging in EC Tunnel.... Almost every 50 on Sol Ro had full/near full planar before kunark.

Tide27_sl said:

You are so full of shit its not even funny. Prior to Kunark coming out most people did NOT in fact have full fbss / cof / rbb. Majority of people hadnt even gotten into the planes yet and one was a clear bug where you could have a guild get level 1s up there to loot the planes armor and that was fixed shortly. In fact, with the spawn timers , there would be no way for "everyone" to have CoFs even if one dropped on every kill by that time.

If you are going to try to make a point then make it, dont just make up shit to try to justify your position.

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This whole post stinks.

Most people had full planar gear in the top guilds. So much so that we spent weeks if not months deleting the shit from all the extra drops. And comparing CoF to FBSS is like comparing an Oracle Robe to a CRoA. Get the fuck out.

Oh heavens no, Pancreas advocating fighting other players (retards!) in a multiplayer game over doing scripted encounters with them.

Next thing you know he'll be saying there should be penalties on death, or even worse, a victorious player taking something from the loser. Get the rope!

"Most" top guilds includes maybe 2 guilds, possibly 3 per server that were clearing planes prior to Kunark releasing. You were no special fucking snowflake. Raiding was such a new activity that "most" werent even raiding during the pre Kunark era. It wasnt until epic quests that took people into the planes actually started trying to raid and even then the amount of epics getting completed was such a small percentage compared to the number of players that it was still considered a huge accomplishment.

Maybe if by "most" you mean the guild you raided with then you may be correct, but to try to establish that "most" people in general had some sort of full gear is beyond retarded.

I raided the planes when they were released and was with the 1% and clearly know that there was a huge gap between the 100 or so of us between 3 raiding guilds, and the rest of the server.

You clearly have your head so far up your ass that you dont remember what the fuck was going on pre Kunark.

Tide27_sl said:

You are so full of shit its not even funny. Prior to Kunark coming out most people did NOT in fact have full fbss / cof / rbb. Majority of people hadnt even gotten into the planes yet and one was a clear bug where you could have a guild get level 1s up there to loot the planes armor and that was fixed shortly. In fact, with the spawn timers , there would be no way for "everyone" to have CoFs even if one dropped on every kill by that time.

If you are going to try to make a point then make it, dont just make up shit to try to justify your position.

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The point was they had 1 of the three main haste items, not all. And as was proven by the last couple of people who actually played end game, you don't know shit about shit.

Jesus some of you have no perspective of other players other than whose in your guild. The only players who had full planes gear or close to it were those that were in the top 1-3 guilds raiding on the server you played on. THIS IS NOT THE MAJORITY.

Guess what guys? Heres a revelation. This is a message board where players from the top guilds/play all day EQers came to. You're the minority in MMO gaming, ESPECIALLY when discussing playing MMOs from Nineteen-fucking-Ninety Nine. Info back then was much more obscure and hard to come by, unless you were in a top guild. The majority of players in1999were NOT lurking on messageboards/info sites. Yeah, maybe you were and your buddies were because you were in L33t_guild_001.

Some of you motherfuckers are so hyperbolic and have no perspective of other players outside of you guild and for some reason think that because your top 1-3 guilds had the planes/guk on farm status that this somehow indicates everyone on the server was rocking fbss and cloak of flames.

Tide27_sl said:

"Most" top guilds includes maybe 2 guilds, possibly 3 per server that were clearing planes prior to Kunark releasing. You were no special fucking snowflake. Raiding was such a new activity that "most" werent even raiding during the pre Kunark era. It wasnt until epic quests that took people into the planes actually started trying to raid and even then the amount of epics getting completed was such a small percentage compared to the number of players that it was still considered a huge accomplishment.

Maybe if by "most" you mean the guild you raided with then you may be correct, but to try to establish that "most" people in general had some sort of full gear is beyond retarded.

I raided the planes when they were released and was with the 1% and clearly know that there was a huge gap between the 100 or so of us between 3 raiding guilds, and the rest of the server.

You clearly have your head so far up your ass that you dont remember what the fuck was going on pre Kunark.

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Yes.

More like the fact that I did indeed play endgame during that era and able to call out yalls bullshit is more like it.

I was in a small guild that would.raid jointly with another guild and still had some pugs along. Far from one of the "top uber guilds" and I had full plane gear before Kunark.

As was mentioned I'm taking about the active level 50 population that participated in raids. Not people who didn't make it passed level 35. That's just a stupid argument to make.

Everyone who is saying this shit was extremely rare never participated in the classic raid scene and should please stfu.

Ambiturner_sl said:

I was in a small guild that would.raid jointly with another guild and still had some pugs along. Far from one of the "top uber guilds" and I had full plane gear before Kunark.

As was mentioned I'm taking about the active level 50 population that participated in raids. Not people who didn't make it passed level 35. That's just a stupid argument to make.

Everyone who is saying this shit was extremely rare never participated in the classic raid scene and should please stfu.

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You're unique little snowflake example is ancedotal and is no way a reasonable example to the greater whole of players. You are a moron.

And why the fuck would you even bother making the point of the people who raided had the best raid gear? Are you serious? So your point is "Hey guys did you know that the players who raided the top zones got the best gear?" Well no fucking shit. News at 11: Players who raid the planes get the planar gear!

What are you going to try and tell us next, the people who work at Mcdonalds make minimum wage?

The people who were saying shit is rare are talking about Ancient Cyclops, The pegasus feather cloak ect.

Lost Ranger_sl said:

The more quality of life features these games get the easier it is for people to isolate themselves. Even if that was not their intention going in. Call it laziness, shyness, call it whatever you want. The point is that these games are often what you make of them. If you go in and actively try to be part of a guild and the server you will usually have a lot of fun. Go in expecting those things to just come to you and you are likely to find yourself running dungeons in silence with strangers. Bored out of your fucking mind.

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I wanted to make sure this was kept for everyone to read, since the last page has been nothing but a pissing contest.

We, as hard core gamers, might not want all the shit that WoW has put into games that dumbs it down and makes is an online single-player game, but the general public at large does and they pay the bills. SOE is going to do what they can to make a profitable game, which means making it accessible. It's highly unlikely, but this game will need to have a lot of easy-mode options to get into it, then a very steep curve that rewards time, skill, and community interaction to satisfy "us". In some ways, 2 games in 1.

Lemmiwinks_sl said:

You're unique little snowflake example is ancedotal and is no way a reasonable example to the greater whole of players. You are a moron.

And why the fuck would you even bother making the point of the people who raided had the best raid gear? Are you serious? So your point is "Hey guys did you know that the players who raided the top zones got the best gear?" Well no fucking shit. News at 11: Players who raid the planes get the planar gear!

What are you going to try and tell us next, the people who work at Mcdonalds make minimum wage?

The people who were saying shit is rare are talking about Ancient Cyclops, The pegasus feather cloak ect.

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First you say my example is just anecdotal then you say it's obviously true. Well, which is it dipshit? People were saying that gear was so much harder to obtain in EQ than other games. he fact that anyone who raided got all the best gear means it's exactly the same as every other MMO in the world. Read what's being talked about before you say stupid shit

The ancient Cyclops and pegasus cloak are examples of shit where you just sat on your ass in a low level zone killing green shit for 20 hrs.

Jesus christ, sir. The point is flying way above your head. Nobody ever said raid/planar gear was rare. You butted in with post#473 being a prick about how people said raid gear was rare. Nobody ever said it was, theyre all talking about other gear like AC pegasus cloak and shit. Etchazz made a post about how newer games dont have rare items like EQ did so some enjoyment of the game is lost. You then quoted them and said "Well everyone had fbss/planar gear by the time kunark came out". You never made the distinction between raiding/non raiding players, so we did that for you.

Theres 2 distinctions to make. Raid gear vs Other gear.

The fact that you try and post about how raid gear wasnt really rare is fucking retarded because everyone knows that, and as I pointed out, its obvious. Yet here you are trying to say its the same as all other MMOs. Durr. Everoyne knows that. People arent saying the raid gear was rare, theyre saying the other gear is rare.

Do you know the definition of hard/rare? Let me enlighten you with the Pegasus Feather Cloak. Do you remember it? The cloak was hard to get because Quillmane was a random as fuck spawn. It would take hours to obtain, and if you were lucky you could track it on your first arrival in the zone. But that's not the point.

The point of an item being rare like that is the enjoyment of the lore/idea behind obtaining it. You know,fantasy. Players say "Bro, there's this legendary pegasus that flies around the zone, but he only appears at night/during a full moon, or when you kill 10 skeletons in certain locations. I think he may drop this cloak that levitates you". Then your friend is like "No fucking way thats awesome". Its like how people thought there was a kraken underneath Lake Rathe for years. People didnt check out Lake Rathe to find the kraken to see what he dropped (imo), but to see if he really existed. That item is rare, and since the chance to kill quillmane only comes around so often, it is as a result, hard to obtain.

Thats what youre missing. The IMMERSION. Its a real thing. Immersion and rarity of items can be interconnected to great effect. Theres a reason people play these fucking games and its to escape reality into a world of fantasy. The whole debate of WoW and its themepark vs. EQ and its living world boils down to the immersion they create. Its hard to get into WoW and its item system for some players because its bland as fuck, you dont have to journey to some dungeon in the depths of the forest, you click a button and there you are. Some people want to "experience" finding legendary monsters that may or may not exist. They want to travel through perilous lands to get to a place where some mystical creature may or may not exist. Finding an axe that they drop for them is just icing on the cake.

There's 2 different types of players is what this comes down to. The Powergamers (you) vs. The Escapers. The powergamers like you want the cloak so they can wave their epeen, show it off to their friends, brag about being l33t, and say how easy/trivial it is and say that everyone has the uber raid gear. The escapers want to be in a world of mysticism where if you explore, study lore, and maybe with a little luck, you can find the rare pixie of legend who drops his wand or whatever. Its perspective.

You see the ancient cyclops as "God how much longer do I have to camp this shit for". When you say that, it doesnt seem like youre enjoying yourself. Youre doing it so you can get +1 runspeed or whatever. Other players see it as "Wow Ive been here for awhile I wonder if this guy really exists".

Its like athletes who workout because they love to workout. A lot of people go to the gym and bitch about how long the have to workout before they look good. Working out is a means to an end. To the athlete the workout itself is the end, to someone else, getting bigger biceps is the endgame.

To you, the ancient cyclops is a means to get to the end of getting Jboots, to others, the simple discovery of the AC itself is the end.

Ive gone off on a big tangent, but people are saying rare and unique items make the game more exciting. When people can "get into" a game, it becomes almost a love affair.

No doubt someone is going to chime in and re-iterate how much camping shit for hours sucks, that a carbon copy modern version of EQ will suck, and I dont blame them. I dont have time for that shit anymore either. But I like the EQ playstyle/philosophy, and will stand up for the fact that I want that type of game made, even if I dont have the ability to play it like I did years ago.