Zaide
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Yeah CoTH point is true. You can definitely kite AoW and also Emp around due to the summon timer. Guilds have been doing it for ten years now. The summon timer is a fuck lot slower than his melee rounds will be.
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It should be 6 seconds between summons and no one is kiting him beyond those 6 seconds... So, he kills someone... then... you have someone spam clickies into him and then they die within 6 seconds. at MOST you get 6 seconds but AOW undead aggro is HUGE so he is likely going to kill a lot of people in between fresh tanks spamming 20 clickies to get aggro, just to die seconds later from being summoned. It's very difficult to pull AoW through a group of people. And then, let's say it takes 6 seconds for the new tank to even get enough aggro... he just gets summoned instantly.
Unless he has an abnormally long summon timer. I think Yelinak has a longer than 6 second summon timer but I know most summon timers are 6 seconds to the best of my knowledge.
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Warriors won't die every six seconds if you max funnel. You'll have to bind rush initially but after you make some corpse piles you'll have tanks with a BoC, AoW bow, Tormax/AoW hat, Ring of Destruction, Statue BP, Tormax/Vindi boots, Tormax guantlets, Thurgadin plate everywhere else plus whatever you can drum up in other zones.
You just need a force that is comfortable with going to raids with zero loot prospects. Vaniki had double loot and people showing up for achievements rather than gear and there was still some bellyaching about funneling.
You just need a force that is comfortable with going to raids with zero loot prospects. Vaniki had double loot and people showing up for achievements rather than gear and there was still some bellyaching about funneling.
Server will be 10x better if they just make it start at level 60.
You'll only be able to fill up 1 guild worth of people willing to do that stuff at 50.
You'll only be able to fill up 1 guild worth of people willing to do that stuff at 50.
DickTrickle
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The 50 start is fine if they did incremental level increases. I think that's enough of a carrot.
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as much as i think this server is a weird idea, i’ll be trying it as is. obviously there’d be some changes, ex. pacing, that i’d be okay with
but if they had just started it at 60 and therefore just give us oakwynd 2.0 without classic, ya no thanks. at least teek had some fun loot to look forward to after the killer 1-60 grind… but doing that on jokewynd?
but if they had just started it at 60 and therefore just give us oakwynd 2.0 without classic, ya no thanks. at least teek had some fun loot to look forward to after the killer 1-60 grind… but doing that on jokewynd?
I'd be willing to bet that the legacy bonus won't even work for the first 6 months if they cap us at lvl 50. "reach max level for the current era". Well, we'll be in luclin and the max level for luclin is 60 so we'll see how that plays out in their code lol.
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yerm
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What even is the point of the legacy character system and a relaxed free trade through shared bank anymore? The persona system is just flatly better in every imaginable way. It's even integrated into the store. You don't have to deal with trading gear because it doesn't get traded.
Personas share lockouts. Although, not sure if that's going to be different on this server.
Also, you can't make the same class twice with Persona.
Also, you can't make the same class twice with Persona.
Nobody is summon tanking Emp at 50 and not getting 1 shot. Even with funneled gear.
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The kills might have an asterisk or two but on Vaniki more than one guild had 2+ reasonably clean kill on Emperor at 55 without huge numbers and without using cheesey basement kiting strats. You might be able to get a tank enough gear that they don't die from a single round of Emp's melee. Maybe.
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All I'm saying is that if we set the bar at "can take one round of melee and not explode most of the time" you might be able to stack enough gear to make that a reality. Emp's probably too far but level 50 kite strat AoW kills will be a thing if a real guild shows up on this server.
Even at 60 with Velious BIS and no AAs tanking Emp without defensive it's 1 round 1 ch or 2 rounds death. At 50 with no defensive, no shot. At 55 with defensive and some defensive AAs sure maybe, even then it would be significantly harder than Vaniki because much less DPS without the special ruleset and GoD stuff.
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If the math was a tank with all the best shit you could put together got one rounded most of the time/all of the time by Emp at 50 it wouldn't be much of a shock.
HOWEVER
Level 55 characters were able to not get one-rounded by beatstick extraordinaire Mithanial Marr in Halls of Honor on the road to killing Solusek Ro for the achievement. That fight included add kiting, attempts to tank normally (sketchy and bloody) and some summon tanking when things broke down. I can believe that surviving a single round of Emp melee often enough that kiting can be managed long enough to give rezzers the window necessary to keep the whole mess going.
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Level 55 characters were able to not get one-rounded by beatstick extraordinaire Mithanial Marr in Halls of Honor on the road to killing Solusek Ro for the achievement. That fight included add kiting, attempts to tank normally (sketchy and bloody) and some summon tanking when things broke down. I can believe that surviving a single round of Emp melee often enough that kiting can be managed long enough to give rezzers the window necessary to keep the whole mess going.
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55 means defensive and some aas and, if I'm not crazy, some "out of era" gear on vaniki.
Easily addressed, probably a few hours of work. Meanwhile who will want to level a persona now, when leveling an alt on the same account gives bonuses? Totally kills it.
Easily addressed, probably a few hours of work. Meanwhile who will want to level a persona now, when leveling an alt on the same account gives bonuses? Totally kills it.
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It took a month when Luclin launched for them to fix the legacy bonus so it worked on AA's. People leveled as many as ten characters for the full 100% bonus to have it only turn on after it was too late to matter.
It should be an easy fix but people have been burned before.