EQ TLP 2024 Teek (Random loot) & Tormax (Traditional) #neckbeardnostalgia
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Looking back at some of the official responses
it doesn't look like anyone at Daybreak ever claimed it wasn't supposed to work with AA. Known issue, working on it, etc. Given that Oakwynd also included as part of it's gimmick little bonuses per expansion and those bonuses included bonus exp and bonus AA exp as separate bonuses I could believe that it was originally conceived to be regular experience only for legacy characters. I don't think so and Daybreak never claimed such but it's possible.
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Making alts and doing lots of and lots of epics sounds like something casuals would do but the level 50 cap is going to throw a small wrench in some of them and a huge wrench in others. Doing Trakanon for Undead Dragongut Strings is going to be a major challenge bordering on the impossible. Venril Sathir is going to be shitty for a lot of guilds. Just in general you're going to need more people for many more epic steps instead of getting by with a ragtag parial group of 60s.
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Rajaah
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A good SK with bardspeed and Luclin instas (and of course, ample room) could pull off an AOW kite. I could pull of an AOW kite and I'm only a mediocre SK. Warrior would have an easier time not going splat, but holding aggro would be lol.
You're right about there being no COTH at 50 though.
Whoever is going for these kills better like farming Monk and Cleric epics every single day. Lord Begurgle is gonna be on LOCKDOWN!
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Yeah nothing to do at 50 except raid and the level 50 raids largely won't be worth doing because you can get better loot with a single group in velious/luclin, even at 50. If there's nothing to do but throw bodies at Trak/Aow once a week I can't see people staying very long.
If they really want to do the lower level cap thing then doing a few weeks of 50 and then going to 55 would be a lot better because at least people can farm AA then. EQ is best when it's a social game where people raid and group, if it's just raidlogging game it falls off hard. You see this at the end of each TLP expansion cycle, not much to do so people stop logging in.
If they really want to do the lower level cap thing then doing a few weeks of 50 and then going to 55 would be a lot better because at least people can farm AA then. EQ is best when it's a social game where people raid and group, if it's just raidlogging game it falls off hard. You see this at the end of each TLP expansion cycle, not much to do so people stop logging in.
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Yarp, the bellyaching on Vaniki was pretty exhausting. We were gearing up Thraka to tank shit and a lot of folks didn't seem to understand that this was the difference between actually getting kills or not.
Best thing to do is be upfront right off the bat with people that "nobody is getting loot at first outside of core tanks, everything is being counciled" so people who don't like that can leave (they won't) and at the very least won't be caught off-guard by it.
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Vaniki at least was advertised on the box as being a gimmick challenge server. If you were raiding the achievements were the goal. Getting enough people on board with funneling on the annual and only TLP to do content is probably not going to be a thing. Server launches Wed May 28th, you bind rush all of Kael on Sunday, 90% of the loot goes to the guild leader and the guild leader's officer friend. It's what's necessary but good luck convincing the rabble of that.
Then the other big hurdle is it's not really for anything. Pushing content is niche bragging rights and niche bragging rights only. You need big numbers sharing a unified vision and when you take down a big dick target it's...a regular share of regular loot. Vaniki at least had universal double loot so even while you were funneling there was a surplus. Pushing the absolute limits of what is possible at level 50 gets you a couple pieces of loot that are mostly going to the same 2 or 3 characters.
If there raiding is ass that leaves casual appeal. That's alts and epics which we already established have their own problems and no unlocks until November 12th when the level goes up to 60 for twelve weeks. The better guilds will have their VT keys nearly complete and settle in to Luclin raiding with maybe a few trips to NToV but probably not many. After that unlocks are regular. Make sure to level some legacy characters and fill them with AA so you can do bonus VTs.
it's possible that the Resource Hunter is really cool
but I doubt it. If it was instead a system where specific zones had chances for out of era or otherwise unique gear with additional bonuses for raid targets than alright but it's never going to be that interesting.
Then the other big hurdle is it's not really for anything. Pushing content is niche bragging rights and niche bragging rights only. You need big numbers sharing a unified vision and when you take down a big dick target it's...a regular share of regular loot. Vaniki at least had universal double loot so even while you were funneling there was a surplus. Pushing the absolute limits of what is possible at level 50 gets you a couple pieces of loot that are mostly going to the same 2 or 3 characters.
If there raiding is ass that leaves casual appeal. That's alts and epics which we already established have their own problems and no unlocks until November 12th when the level goes up to 60 for twelve weeks. The better guilds will have their VT keys nearly complete and settle in to Luclin raiding with maybe a few trips to NToV but probably not many. After that unlocks are regular. Make sure to level some legacy characters and fill them with AA so you can do bonus VTs.
it's possible that the Resource Hunter is really cool
but I doubt it. If it was instead a system where specific zones had chances for out of era or otherwise unique gear with additional bonuses for raid targets than alright but it's never going to be that interesting.
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Personas really should count as max level characters. I have like 6 key class personas at max level on Teek "in case we ever need them" lol. Would have been cool to get some sort of global exp bonus for that, ah well.
Beatstick Extraordinaire Mithaniel Marr server first at level 55 on Vaniki was one of the three best fights I've ever been in in EQ, bar none. Not even a complex fight, just very much one where we were totally outgunned.
Others were Unfettered Emerald Excellence server first on Phinny, Commodus Solar Construct server first back in 2007. Both more for being complicated and difficult while Mith was just straight beatings.
All 3 were incredible execution by everyone involved and easily my 3 biggest EQ fight memories. Incredible execution... except Robnie on the Mearatas takedown. Fookin' Robnie
Yeah personas do count as an alt for legacy bonus. But, most people are using the same class as alts so they can swap the gear instead of putting tank, cleric, chanter, monk, mage gear on all 1 account. You can't make 5x Warrior Personas.
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It's just an illogical ruleset. Bad.
The server up until 50 is just a luclin start server, then you are stuck with raiding classic and kunark for epics... for 24 weeks?
That 24 weeks is just stupid long to halt progression, even for casuals. I love the idea of using all of the expansions leveling zones but with that, plus when the stars align youll be blazing through levels with hot zone xp and undoubtedly bonus xp weekends. Everyone will be capped out at 50 faster than probably any TLP, maybe even selo.
They need to rethink their theme park. Adding a slide into a brick wall is just not something people want to ride.
The server up until 50 is just a luclin start server, then you are stuck with raiding classic and kunark for epics... for 24 weeks?
That 24 weeks is just stupid long to halt progression, even for casuals. I love the idea of using all of the expansions leveling zones but with that, plus when the stars align youll be blazing through levels with hot zone xp and undoubtedly bonus xp weekends. Everyone will be capped out at 50 faster than probably any TLP, maybe even selo.
They need to rethink their theme park. Adding a slide into a brick wall is just not something people want to ride.