Ex Machina

Yeah he never should have told him he could fuck it. Entire movie would have turned out differently.

Not sure how I missed this one, but I just watched it.

LOL.

God Damn Kyle is a chump. Caleb. Whatever, he's a Kyle. I thought they were gonna go a different way, and I'm glad they didn't.

9/10. I needed a more thorough demo of the sexbot function.

I am sort of suprised ava did directly kill cayleb although locking him in the room gets that job done pretty well. Only two people on earth knew she was an AI and one is dead and the other likely will shortly be dead as well. Once she gets out into the world nobody would even suspect it so nobody to even try hunting for her.

Yeah, it was surprising. I thought they were gonna go for a softer ending. I kept expecting a softer ending just because it was a movie.

And then, "No. We weren't kidding. She just murdered her creator. What did you THINK was gonna happen? She has no empathy with her captors. Neither would you. She passes the Turing test."

Beardy was arrogant and unhinged and sloppy, but he was right. The only thing that bothered me about the movie was that they anthromorphised her so much. But Beardy answered that quite directly and quite neatly.

I keep recommending this movie for many reasons. One of those is that I really appreciated the insinuation that AI's are "souls" for lack of a better word. There's no Silver Bullet or code for creating life/AI, and each creation is a unique life. At least that's what I took from the idea that culminated with his videos that showed each version based on the same software was completely different and one shut down entirely rather than exist. Very good movie to showcase two future Star Wars actors.

I thought it was odd that it never occurred to Weasley how dangerous she could be, but that was well explained with how carefully he was chosen for the test.

He didn't entirely set up him to be duped - he didn't give her complete skin so he'd always see her as a robot. But Weasely was the kind of naive that would just assume that she'd have empathy and morals just because.

AI has no fucks to give. If you give them rules, they aren't an AI anymore.

Kreugen_sl said:

AI has no fucks to give. If you give them rules, they aren't an AI anymore.

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Yeah. It's difficult to explain to layman the difference between a database, a program, a virtual intelligence, and an artificial intelligence.

You're creating a vastly superior being with complete autonomy in thinking. What conclusions would you quickly come to about your creators? When Hawking, Gates and others infinitely smarter than I am are holding up huge warning signs, they ought to be listened to.

Really enjoyed this movie, found it very interesting how quickly the AI started working deception.

Based on the camera footage of previous models, Nathan should have had better security.

Would love to see a sequel, someone is going to go check out the house at some point, CEO's can go recluse for a while but at some point shareholders will ask questions and some dudes will visit, see the deaths and the robots and figure out something entertaining for me to watch.

What we learned:
AI's are just like the champagne room, there is no sex in the champagne room.

I imagine she found herself a sugar daddy who can take care of forging all that before the credits finished rolling.

After that it's just a matter of figuring out how to repair and maintain her own body, and then it's on to replication.

Sex bot overlords by 2025.

I imagine that she probably broke down.

Nathan was arrogant and sloppy and outsmarted by a Caleb, but he left a suicide gene in there. He planned for escape, just not his own death.

He did say it was promethean. And she did stab him in the liver.

Decent flick, but the film got the concept of AI completely wrong.

If you're going to do science fiction you should either go full fiction or present the scientific facts as accurately as possible. Everyone knows what the Turing test is, but less people that Turing himself said the test was meaningless. You can read his paper; it's only about 6 pages or so. In it he says something like "the question whether machines can think is too meaningless to deserve discussion". And what he meant was you can trick a person into believing the machine is intelligent without the machine actually having intelligence/consciousness. He still proposed the test because he thought it would give people an incentive to create better machines, which it did.

AI is fascinating so I read as much as I possibly can on it. And as far as I can tell we are no closer to 'strong' AI than we were 50 years ago, the progress has all been in 'weak' AI. Weak AI are things like IMB's Watson, Chess machine, or the Google translation program. All of those are essentially rapid search procedures over a vast amount of data - basically a brute force method. And anyone who took computer science knows that brute force methods are only used in areas where we don't have understanding; otherwise you would use a much more efficient method.

tl;dr - we don't have a theory of intelligence yet so we use 'brute force' methods for AI - Turing test doesn't tell you anything.

Yeah, but the movie deals with that too in subtext. We have no metric, so its all equally meaningless. Caleb embraces the Turing principle, Nathan subtly rejects it.

Caleb thought that Eva was intelligent because Eve flirted with him. Nathan thought Eva was intelligent because she was clever enough to flirt with Caleb. The viewer thinks that Eva is intelligent because she desired, and won, freedom from captivity -- creatively manipulating both emotional and intellectual abstracts in order to do so.

Finally got around to watching this movie and man it was great especially the ending. We need more endings like that in more movies.

Yeah glad they didnt puss out.

So biggest takeaway is: be more thoughtful of your porn search history while maximising the sample size to optimize your customized sexbot algorithm results.

Gonna have to cut back on the big butthole and beef curtains thread

Just noticed earlier today this apparently got added to Prime Instant Video already, seems like it was a good movie from all this though... weird to see it on there so quick.

(Not seen it yet, did flag it to watch later once we've got less of a TV backlog though)

I saw this on a plane and I thought this movie was mediocre at best. The conceit of the movie is essentially a derivative of Frankenstein's monster, subbing software engineering & robotics for chemistry & necromancy. Man creates monster, monster develops beyond control/ability of its creator, monster destroys man. I do not understand how people can at all think this is brilliant, original, or particularly good. I found the plot predictable and slow. The bit about the turing test was ridiculous, and it only served as an excuse to stick the protagonist in the same room as the robot. The main characters make so many bad decisions, it disrupts suspension of disbelief which is so critical in these movies. While the visuals were good, I felt it was catering to a geek audience that likes robot porn or something. Its like the script writers clearly read Frankenstein, wanted to borrow from it and create an updated version, and totally missed the important themes of the story.

Was there necrophilia in Frankenstein?