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Story changes and implications are the only thing keeping me really looking forward to the finale. The second game had too much open world checklist bullshit, but it was still better than part one. Hoping part three is just non-stop spectacle with weapon fights, northern crater, etc. Who gives a fuck if Aerith is actually dead (she is), I just wanna see how it all plays out now.
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Supposedly they're going big into the airship gameplay, too. Don't want it to feel less than it did back in the OG. I just hope they still have shit like the submarine chase/minigame and the underwater exploration. Not to mention hidden bosses and what not. The amount of content it's going to need to have to fit everything in is going to be pretty crazy, though. Not to mention even more combat characters with Cid and Vincent going in. Might feel a little crazy managing 9 characters with dual techs with everyone.
 
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Supposedly they're going big into the airship gameplay, too. Don't want it to feel less than it did back in the OG. I just hope they still have shit like the submarine chase/minigame and the underwater exploration. Not to mention hidden bosses and what not. The amount of content it's going to need to have to fit everything in is going to be pretty crazy, though. Not to mention even more combat characters with Cid and Vincent going in. Might feel a little crazy managing 9 characters with dual techs with everyone.
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I expect the Ruby and Emerald weapon fights to be absolutely batshit
 
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Supposedly they're going big into the airship gameplay, too. Don't want it to feel less than it did back in the OG. I just hope they still have shit like the submarine chase/minigame and the underwater exploration. Not to mention hidden bosses and what not. The amount of content it's going to need to have to fit everything in is going to be pretty crazy, though. Not to mention even more combat characters with Cid and Vincent going in. Might feel a little crazy managing 9 characters with dual techs with everyone.
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I'm just wondering what's going on with Rocket Town, since Part 2 completely skipped over that whole thing.

A Rocket Town DLC for Part 2 would make sense, as would a Dirge of Cerberus remake (i.e. what they did with Yuffie and Zack between the first two). Would also fill the gap a bit since Part 3 probably won't be for another 2-3 years. A DoC remake would give them an opportunity to fix the battle system, like what they did with CC. I always liked DoC, but it had serious issues that brought it down (and would be easy to fix).
 
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I'm just wondering what's going on with Rocket Town, since Part 2 completely skipped over that whole thing.

A Rocket Town DLC for Part 2 would make sense, as would a Dirge of Cerberus remake (i.e. what they did with Yuffie and Zack between the first two). Would also fill the gap a bit since Part 3 probably won't be for another 2-3 years. A DoC remake would give them an opportunity to fix the battle system, like what they did with CC. I always liked DoC, but it had serious issues that brought it down (and would be easy to fix).
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They weirdly have seemed to keep commenting no more DLC at least so far. I really think the Yuffie thing was a one off to "transfer" it to PS5. DoC remake could be a thing, though. They've made a point of putting in a bunch of stuff from all the compilation games, and I somehow doubt they'll be able to fully put in Vincent's story we know from OG and DoC all into Part 3 with all the expected content from OG still to come, too. All the rest of the main plot, Wutai stuff (which they'll likely expand on further than even OG), end game content, secret bosses, etc. It feels like a lot to put all into just Part 3 without any extra DLC or Dirge Remake.
 
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They weirdly have seemed to keep commenting no more DLC at least so far. I really think the Yuffie thing was a one off to "transfer" it to PS5. DoC remake could be a thing, though. They've made a point of putting in a bunch of stuff from all the compilation games, and I somehow doubt they'll be able to fully put in Vincent's story we know from OG and DoC all into Part 3 with all the expected content from OG still to come, too. All the rest of the main plot, Wutai stuff (which they'll likely expand on further than even OG), end game content, secret bosses, etc. It feels like a lot to put all into just Part 3 without any extra DLC or Dirge Remake.
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Yeah I'd say a Rocket Town DLC in late 2025, Dirge remake in late 2026, and Part 3 in late 2027 makes the most sense for both a schedule and covering all the bases. The Dirge remake can even add in some of the Vincent stuff from the main game so there's less to do for Part 3. They can call it Dirge of Cerberus: Redemption, to keep with the R naming theme and also give us a double-meaning (Vincent redeeming himself, and DoC itself redeeming itself for how meh it was on PS2).

Speaking of, wonder what the title of Part 3 will be. Is FF7 Revival too on the nose? Don't want to give people the false assumption that it means Aerith is getting revived, when it actually means revival of the planet or Holy or whatever.
 
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Yeah I'd say a Rocket Town DLC in late 2025, Dirge remake in late 2026, and Part 3 in late 2027 makes the most sense for both a schedule and covering all the bases. The Dirge remake can even add in some of the Vincent stuff from the main game so there's less to do for Part 3. They can call it Dirge of Cerberus: Redemption, to keep with the R naming theme and also give us a double-meaning (Vincent redeeming himself, and DoC itself redeeming itself for how meh it was on PS2).

Speaking of, wonder what the title of Part 3 will be. Is FF7 Revival too on the nose? Don't want to give people the false assumption that it means Aerith is getting revived, when it actually means revival of the planet or Holy or whatever.
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FF7 Reunion obviously, it can't be anything else.

I expect fairly faithful with whatever extra they add to Wutai, then some stupid shit at the end again to ruin the vibe. I expect them to neuter the Yuffie betrayal too.

They said no DLC and if they did one surely it would be a Vincent sidestory?
 
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FF7 Reunion obviously, it can't be anything else.

I expect fairly faithful with whatever extra they add to Wutai, then some stupid shit at the end again to ruin the vibe. I expect them to neuter the Yuffie betrayal too.

They said no DLC and if they did one surely it would be a Vincent sidestory?
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Probably won't be FF7 Reunion. Yes, it's obvious that it should be, but they blew the Reunion name on Crisis Core Reunion.

There'll probably be a lot more Wutai added now due to all the new Wutai intrigue. The Wutai section with Godo is the other big thing missing from Part 2 besides Rocket Town, but I figured it was because it's gonna be way expanded later.

No need for a Vincent DLC if they're remaking Dirge of Cerberus, can just flesh out the backstory there. Rocket Town on the other hand is like this hole in the story as things are now. We probably won't get a DLC but I'm hoping we do.

And yeah, they will almost inevitably fuck up Part 3 in the last 10% like they did with the first two. I don't know why they can't stick the landings. That bullshit at the end of Part 1 with Cloud and Sephiroth fighting on a meteor or some shit was ridiculous. Sephiroth should have been basically nonexistent in Part 1 and spoken of only in hushed tones, until Kalm and the impaled Zolom.
 
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Probably won't be FF7 Reunion. Yes, it's obvious that it should be, but they blew the Reunion name on Crisis Core Reunion.

There'll probably be a lot more Wutai added now due to all the new Wutai intrigue. The Wutai section with Godo is the other big thing missing from Part 2 besides Rocket Town, but I figured it was because it's gonna be way expanded later.

No need for a Vincent DLC if they're remaking Dirge of Cerberus, can just flesh out the backstory there. Rocket Town on the other hand is like this hole in the story as things are now. We probably won't get a DLC but I'm hoping we do.

And yeah, they will almost inevitably fuck up Part 3 in the last 10% like they did with the first two. I don't know why they can't stick the landings. That bullshit at the end of Part 1 with Cloud and Sephiroth fighting on a meteor or some shit was ridiculous. Sephiroth should have been basically nonexistent in Part 1 and spoken of only in hushed tones, until Kalm and the impaled Zolom.
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Yeah the ending for part 1 was kinda way out of left field. I see what they are trying to do but I doubt they pull it off successfully. Rebirth was fantastic up until Shinra mansion. I really didn't like they cut out exploring the mansion proper and instead just made a bland hojo lab downstairs. TotA drug on way too long, and then poof, city of the ancients all of a sudden? I can tell you one thing though, I am sick to death of fighting Sephiroth. Between the story in both games and the VR missions I've kicked his ass so many times he's not a thing anymore. They are going to have to do something about that.
 
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Yeah the ending for part 1 was kinda way out of left field. I see what they are trying to do but I doubt they pull it off successfully. Rebirth was fantastic up until Shinra mansion. I really didn't like they cut out exploring the mansion proper and instead just made a bland hojo lab downstairs. TotA drug on way too long, and then poof, city of the ancients all of a sudden? I can tell you one thing though, I am sick to death of fighting Sephiroth. Between the story in both games and the VR missions I've kicked his ass so many times he's not a thing anymore. They are going to have to do something about that.
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When I was in high school, the week FF7 came out, I remember kids talking about how tough Sephiroth was going to be. Like he put the fear of God in those kids. Most of us were out of Midgar at that point and at varying points in Disc 1, think the furthest guy was up to ToA. I was up to Kalm. That scene, and the Zolom, were all people knew Seph by, and it gave him this incredibly foreboding aura.

I think that's what the new ones are missing: The aura. They capture none of the foreboding aura, none of the really dark elements. In some cases literally, like how damn bright and sunny Midgar's slums were.
 
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When I was in high school, the week FF7 came out, I remember kids talking about how tough Sephiroth was going to be. Like he put the fear of God in those kids. Most of us were out of Midgar at that point and at varying points in Disc 1, think the furthest guy was up to ToA. I was up to Kalm. That scene, and the Zolom, were all people knew Seph by, and it gave him this incredibly foreboding aura.

I think that's what the new ones are missing: The aura. They capture none of the foreboding aura, none of the really dark elements. In some cases literally, like how damn bright and sunny Midgar's slums were.
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I was literally shaking with excitement and fear when I fought him for the first time and lost on a weekend morning in early 1998. I was 11.

Got the whole family out of bed for my second attempt and victory, then had to explain wtf the ending was to them.

Current Sephiroth feels like he's meant to be scary because we know Sephrioth from the original game, you are right about no aura.

They did get me again when Zodiark came out a few years ago in FF14 though, it's midnight and I'm finding a good spot to put the game down... and the final boss is here early at lv83. And he can rotate the boss area and fuck up the aoe telegraphs. Amazing.
 
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I was literally shaking with excitement and fear when I fought him for the first time and lost on a weekend morning in early 1998. I was 11.

Got the whole family out of bed for my second attempt and victory, then had to explain wtf the ending was to them.

Current Sephiroth feels like he's meant to be scary because we know Sephrioth from the original game, you are right about no aura.

They did get me again when Zodiark came out a few years ago in FF14 though, it's midnight and I'm finding a good spot to put the game down... and the final boss is here early at lv83. And he can rotate the boss area and fuck up the aoe telegraphs. Amazing.
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Sephiroth in FF7R vs Sephiroth in FF7 is kinda analogous to when a wrestler jumps from WWE to AEW and people say the new company hasn't done anything to get them more over and all their overness is because people know who they are from the previous company.

For the laymen, that means that FF7R Sephiroth is just coasting on whatever residual heat the character has from FF7, while R actively brings him down with each appearance.

I've got my own fond memories of FF7 in 1997. I played up to Kalm on release week, then my mom took it away because I was technically grounded from games for the first two months of high school so I'd focus on school. She essentially let me out of grounding for a few evenings for FF7, the game I'd gotten a PS1 specifically for a couple months earlier (the Squaresoft On Playstation demo disk - FF7, Bushido Blade, FFT, Saga Frontier, with only the first two playable) was all I played that August, and I played the hell out of it).

A torturous month and a half or so later, my grounding is lifted for Halloween, and I hit the game hard from that evening onward. I didn't actually beat the game until at least a few weeks later, somewhere between Thanksgiving and Christmas. I also summoned whoever was around to see me fighting the final boss. I think I lost the first several times because I remember having to grind in the Northern Crater and being depressed by the music (and high school sucked at the time so that was probably what was actually depressing)

Second PS1 game I got was Bushido Blade and I think that was around Christmas. I loved the demo of that game but when I got the full game, it was different and didn't have the same aura. It felt more like a basic fighting game. I played through it pretty quick and then brought it back to the store and returned it (back then you could bring an opened game back to the store and get something else if you didn't like it). Got FF Tactics instead. Whew, way better choice. Spent the entire winter playing FFT and then got my third game right about when spring hit, SaGa Frontier, and had a ball with that for several months.

So yeah, I went through the Squaresoft demo disc, and associate FF7 with Fall, FFT with winter, and SF with spring. Good stuff. /storytime over
 
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Interesting analogy for Sephiroth. I think they've actually done a great job setting up just how broken Cloud's mind really is, and how much control Sephiroth has over him. The Remake project has allowed them to go a bit deeper than the OG when the cutscenes to show just how much mimicry the Jenova cells allow. I'm assuming it will be a very big part of the lifestream scene with Cloud in Part 3, and just layered reveals in general about Sephiroth's origins, and all of his taunting/manipulating regarding trying to make Cloud doubt Tifa.
 
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Sephiroth in FF7R vs Sephiroth in FF7 is kinda analogous to when a wrestler jumps from WWE to AEW and people say the new company hasn't done anything to get them more over and all their overness is because people know who they are from the previous company.

For the laymen, that means that FF7R Sephiroth is just coasting on whatever residual heat the character has from FF7, while R actively brings him down with each appearance.
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It's an amazing analogy and even better that the wrestler who dresses as Sephrioth did exactly this and it's being discussed in the wrestling thread lol.

He's Sephrioth is Japan and for some reason generic gamer dude in dressed like a Florida tourist in the US.
 
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...The second game had too much open world checklist bullshit, but it was still better than part one.
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I stopped trying to 100% the world, which is not like me. It was because of A) The stupid stupid mini games and also B) so many unskippable animations / delays just not respecting my time when you do complete the thing. Like, shutup research guy and get off my PS controller.
 
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It's an amazing analogy and even better that the wrestler who dresses as Sephrioth did exactly this and it's being discussed in the wrestling thread lol.

He's Sephrioth is Japan and for some reason generic gamer dude in dressed like a Florida tourist in the US.
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The difference between Kenny Omega in New Japan and Kenny Omega in AEW is huge and I'm not even sure what's causing it. Same with Okada. They both have such a huge aura in Japan and then look like just another guy in AEW.
 
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