Final Fantasy VII Remake

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Haast

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I'm kind of surprised that people really craved difficulty in FF games, like throughout the experience. I personally liked the story and building up my characters, exploring new areas and completing side quests to make them extra badass. But I didn't really want to struggle through the content the whole time, maybe just the endgame side quests.

As for FF7, episodic takes the wind out of my sails. Hopefully it's not a total cash grab, but a chance to expand on the world and flesh out the story and locations. And they release the episodes close together with reasonable pricing. I have serious doubts that will be the case, but a guy can hope.
 

Merrith

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The only hard thing about any of them were the early ones that forced a little grinding on you. Even as early as 4(2) though, that pretty much just meant a couple levels or That One Spell you needed to handle whatever bs you had to for whatever boss fight. Whether that was a big damage spell to kill a monster in time, the wall spell to prevent something from healing itself, etc. By the time 6(3) rolled around, that game was so fucking broken you could cheese the shit out of it so many ways. Even as a 14 year old you knew how to vanish/X-zone everything you could. Honestly outside from the very original Final Fantasy I don't remember dying barely at all in any of them, even as a kid...save for those few battles in Tactics when you were severely under-leveled or when trying to steal all the Genji shit.

I agree about X having the best combat system, although I haven't played MUCH of X-2 to really comment on it. I really had a hard time getting past fucking K Pop type shit at the beginning. Still having watched the battle system reminds me a little of Crono Cross', which I also didn't like so still leaning towards X. It's not like 7 revolutionized combat or gameplay, it was pretty basic to be honest. I liked materia as a system a little better than the Espers in 6(3), but overall battle was pretty vanilla. You got pretty overpowered well before the end of the game, but that shit was there in 6 as well where you could one attack pretty much anything.
 

hodj

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X-2 had the superior combat system, but no one knows it because they never got past the J-Pop intro.

The only reason I know it had a better combat system is because of 4chan.

It was basically FFT class system mixed with the ATB system from FF7 + you could class switch in combat similar to FFX, except you didn't switch characters, but rather swapped costumes.

Had that system been attached to any other story, it would be easily considered the best of the entire series.
 

Merrith

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X-2 had the superior combat system, but no one knows it because they never got past the J-Pop intro.

The only reason I know it had a better combat system is because of 4chan.

It was basically FFT class system mixed with the ATB system from FF7 + you could class switch in combat similar to FFX, except you didn't switch characters, but rather swapped costumes.

Had that system been attached to any other story, it would be easily considered the best of the entire series.
Sounds good in theory, just really hard to think about trying to play through that shit. All I remember of it was my brother playing it, and asking me to come help with some mini game to fix the lighting towers on the Thunder Plains. Basically a speed game where you had to enter controller commands that were displayed. He would get close but got frustrated as shit, took me like 20 minutes but I got it done.

Thinking about it though, not sure I'd want characters to be able to change classes on the fly mid battle like that. Sounds OP as fuck. Granted, even in X, eventually you were filling out other characters' starting areas on the sphere grid to the point where toons could fill multiple roles, but for most of the game each had certain unique attacks elements that made certain characters the best choice to shift into your party to kill mobs fast. Tidus for the agile/fast monsters, Auron for anything with armor/shells, Wakka for flyers, Rikku for machines, Lulu for elementals, etc.
 

hodj

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Pretty sure the game's battles were specifically constructed based on the premise of on the fly class changing.

It worked very similar to 10, but you didn't end up with two useless characters.

The J-Pop shit and the girly girl bullshit just ruined it though. Gameplay can be amazing, but if its strapped to unplayable everything else, then no one will make it to the gameplay part to find out if its decent or not.
 

Merrith

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Pretty sure the game's battles were specifically constructed based on the premise of on the fly class changing.

It worked very similar to 10, but you didn't end up with two useless characters.

The J-Pop shit and the girly girl bullshit just ruined it though. Gameplay can be amazing, but if its strapped to unplayable everything else, then no one will make it to the gameplay part to find out if its decent or not.
It was just so bad that they literally started the game off with it too. I mean first fucking thing and it was just like "wtf is this bullshit".
 

hodj

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It was just so bad that they literally started the game off with it too. I mean first fucking thing and it was just like "wtf is this bullshit".
Yup.

It pretty much just stopped the vast majority of people who picked up the title from even progressing into the game at all.
 

Tanoomba

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Why so much hate for the J-Pop scene?

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I'd rather go through that than "boy wakes up in town on day of festival, take 82". It was fresh, it was unique, and damned if the music itself didn't create a greater sense of engagement (I'm all for using music and atmosphere to add "spectacle" to a game). Frankly, I stopped playing when the concert scene was immediately followed up by running around on generic grassy plains.
 

Foggy

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So Tanoomba never has a good opinion then? He somehow doesn't even stumble into one by chance.
 

Noodleface

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Tanoomba that is literally the worst opinion I've ever heard in my entire life on any topic since the dawn of time.
 

Quaid

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Dude, you said entertaining. Are you trying to Tanoomba out of the fact that entertaining and fun are quite similar?
Maybe to some people, but certainly not to me. I use the word 'fun' to describe experiences that also cause emotional excitement of some sort. Like, going to a rock concert, dancing, seeing a comedy show, doing something physical. Entertainment could be any non-defined leisure stimulus, like watching a good documentary, doing a puzzle, or listening to music playing in the background of a bar. I could see how someone could conflate the two, but I certainly don't.

All fun is entertainment, not all entertainment is fun, if you get my drift. Not trying to 'Tanoomba' out of anything. I'd never discuss something in terms of 'fun', since that can be so subjective. The concept of 'entertainment' is far less so.

Seananigans is just... Well... Kinda stupid.
 

Xarpolis

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You're giving me... to many things, baby. You're all I need... and you smiled at me... and said (and said and said).
 

Seananigans

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Maybe to some people, but certainly not to me. I use the word 'fun' to describe experiences that also cause emotional excitement of some sort. Like, going to a rock concert, dancing, seeing a comedy show, doing something physical. Entertainment could be any non-defined leisure stimulus, like watching a good documentary, doing a puzzle, or listening to music playing in the background of a bar. I could see how someone could conflate the two, but I certainly don't.

All fun is entertainment, not all entertainment is fun, if you get my drift. Not trying to 'Tanoomba' out of anything. I'd never discuss something in terms of 'fun', since that can be so subjective. The concept of 'entertainment' is far less so.

Seananigans is just... Well... Kinda stupid.
Tries to fall back on specific definition of "entertainment" in this case being substantially different than "fun."

By that logic, opening remark involved Quaid basically saying a turn-based game can't be classified as "entertainment."

Can't explain that.