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Kajiimagi

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Cosmetics are fine/great in something like azur lane where that's how they monetize, and you can pull every unit they release without spending a dime. And the skins are only like $10 to $15 or so with no rng. I much prefer that to the genshin model where you can save enough currency for 1 unit every 3-4 months or something. I think it's over $1k to max out a unit at c6, not even mentioning pulling for their weapon.

Epic7 is another great game where you can spend nothing and do everything (other than top tiers of RTA maybe) just by playing a lot.
Proud to say I have zero idea what any of that means. Also isn't there a separate forum for mobile games?
 

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I'll quote myself from Ghost of Tsushima:

"Side note, got interrupted mid-game by steam notice that they updated their terms - basically said agree or delete your account. I know we don't 'own' digital games but do you need to interrupt the game I just bought to rub my nose in dog-shit to prove it?"
 
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Some guys buy cars to fix up, or warhammer figurines, or whatever. Other guys buy skins in weeb games.

They're all a colossal waste of money. But hey, that's on them.
 
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I'll quote myself from Ghost of Tsushima:

"Side note, got interrupted mid-game by steam notice that they updated their terms - basically said agree or delete your account. I know we don't 'own' digital games but do you need to interrupt the game I just bought to rub my nose in dog-shit to prove it?"

I was playing Deadlock and that suddenly appeared and I got ganked
 
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Some guys buy cars to fix up, or warhammer figurines, or whatever. Other guys buy skins in weeb games.

They're all a colossal waste of money. But hey, that's on them.

My land raiders can transport ten elite space marines of the Deathwing, veterans clad in ancient suits of tactical dreadnaught armor brandishing weapons of peerless construction wrought by the artifice of the tech priests of old Mars before it was sundered, directly into battle with the myriad enemies of mankind. Do not compare mankind's saviors, veterans of 10,000 years of combat in HIS name with anime skins.
 
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OU Ariakas

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My land raiders can transport ten elite space marines of the Deathwing, veterans clad in ancient suits of tactical dreadnaught armor brandishing weapons of peerless construction wrought by the artifice of the tech priests of old Mars before it was sundered, directly into battle with the myriad enemies of mankind. Do not compare mankind's saviors, veterans of 10,000 years of combat in HIS name with anime skins.

You can make those rookie Primaris into hardened veterans by adding a Service Stud for just $9.99....each!
 
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I mean comparing fixing cars to whaling out in a gacha game? When I fix a car I get, guess what, a fucking car in the end. Figurines, you buy them, spend some time painting them all nice and you get some nice play pieces in the end or shit to adorn your gaming room. What do whales get? They get to spend more cash on the next set of worthless pixels. Pixels, man, fucking worthless pixels. There is no comparison to any hobby or whatever the fuck to spending RL moneys on a fucking worthless mobile game chase.

And to add further, this shit should be illegal. Its addictive and prays on kids and their parents wallets. Even some adults cannot control themselves. These games are literally no more than a GUI with addictive elements to siphon away your hard earned money.
 
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Kajiimagi

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I know we all 'met' around EQ , at least the old timers. I had a bad EQ addiction, or at least I did until I started reading about some of the poopsocking going on around here. But even then I realized it's all 1's and 0's and we in the end own nothing. Never got mad about gear, never got into a fight over KS, it's a game where noone knows nothing. When it started to get to me, I quit.
I do appreciate not everyone can relate. I don't get everyone being bent out of shape over someone 'blocking' them on FB. Who gives a fuck?
 

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I mean comparing fixing cars to whaling out in a gacha game? When I fix a car I get, guess what, a fucking car in the end. Figurines, you buy them, spend some time painting them all nice and you get some nice play pieces in the end or shit to adorn your gaming room. What do whales get? They get to spend more cash on the next set of worthless pixels. Pixels, man, fucking worthless pixels. There is no comparison to any hobby or whatever the fuck to spending RL moneys on a fucking worthless mobile game chase.

In fairness here, the resulting car or the plastic figurines are typically not worth 1/100th of what you *actually paid* in parts or supplies, counting your time at zero dollars. It's a fair comparison in that it's people spending money doing something they enjoy. An easier comparison is golf or skiing - I mean technically you own a set of golf clubs or skis, but that's not why you spent money on them.

And to add further, this shit should be illegal. Its addictive and prays on kids and their parents wallets. Even some adults cannot control themselves. These games are literally no more than a GUI with addictive elements to siphon away your hard earned money.

I totally agree with you here though, although I'm unconvinced on a total ban - at a minimum though it needs to be regulated the same way as any other gambling. 'But you can't cash out loool' is the single dumbest excuse I've seen for anything to try and dodge regulation. Morality etc aside, this seems like the kind of thing where it should be a problem if you, for example, lie about drop rates for things you are selling, or give all the 'super rare' drops to paid shills.
 
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Caliane

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I'll quote myself from Ghost of Tsushima:

"Side note, got interrupted mid-game by steam notice that they updated their terms - basically said agree or delete your account. I know we don't 'own' digital games but do you need to interrupt the game I just bought to rub my nose in dog-shit to prove it?"
I was playing shadowrun, via GOG and that shit popped up.
 

Chris

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In case anyone needed to fall further in to despair about the state of gaming, gaze upon the black hole that is mobile/gacha.

These games make more in a month off a single titty skin than a game like Space Marine will make in its lifetime. This is what big corporate studios are looking at when deciding what games to make, and how they can get a taste of this sweet coombrain money.

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None of the AAA companies are making these gatcha games though, at best they licence their IP or misunderstand the genre and botch it like Warcraft Rumble.

Like someone else said, it's the battlepass cash shops from Fortnite.
 

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Replying to this 4 month old post because I can't remember where the recent original DOOM discussion was and the forum's search function is STILL fucked.

DOOM & DOOM II on Steam recently got an update and I finally got around to playing it. I have to say, replaying original DOOM has been a fucking blast. This old style of shooter game still holds up, and this particular version of the game has been fully updated for modern hardware/software. It even supports my native 5120x1440x120. Note: context for the below is Ultra-Violence difficulty. I've never played any of these original DOOM games on any difficulty other than UV, except for occasionally fucking around with NM, but I can't abide infinitely respawning monsters, I'm not a speed runner type personality. I must scour the level of all demon scum.

DOOM's 4 episodes have an almost-perfect difficulty curve. Ep 1 is very basic, gives you plenty of resources, doesn't even use some of the tougher enemies like Cacodemons, only 2 Barons (as Episode bosses), etc. Great intro to the game.

Episode 2 introduces Cacodemons and my personal arch-nemesis the Lost Soul (omg those fuckers), and throws in higher numbers of tougher, meatier monsters all while supplying you with less ammo making conservation and efficiency start to matter. Ends with a showdown with the biggest fucker you've seen yet, the Cyberdemon, which is just so great. I can't tell you how great it felt to underestimate him since this was my 40th time playing DOOM (albeit 10+ years since last), only to eventually eat a rocket straight to the chin knocking me down to 50% health and no armor. Humbled, I laughed it off and finished him.

Episode 3 opens by throwing two cacodemons at you with only your pistol available (unless you run forward to grab a shotgun), and only escalates from there. Again, the monsters are more dense, more higher level monsters, ammo is even more scarce, and unless you're great at finding all the secrets some weapons take forever to make their way into your arsenal. I don't actually recall if the BFG is handed to you in a non-secret area because I scour every level for every secret I can find, but this one intros the BFG. So satisfying gibbing a room full of 15-20 soldiers and imps with one shot. Fantastic episode and nice Hell themes even back in the 1990's textures. Spider Mastermind is a decent end boss, although if you have enough energy cell ammo the BFG makes entirely-too-quick work of him. My playthrough yesterday reduced him to rubble without him being able to spin up his mega-chaingun. Ah well.

Episode 4 (released shortly after DOOM II came out, I believe) is another thing entirely. Hoo boy I had forgotten how ass-rapey this one is. I'm paused at the end of Mission 2 to type this out. I died 5-6 times before finding my way through Mission 1 (context: died 1 time total in Eps 1-3), and died another 2ish times (with a couple reloads based on poor performance knowing I'd not live through it) on this mission. They are total dicks with this one: throwing multiple Barons at you MULTIPLE times in cramped-ass quarters, tricky shit like reserves of monsters sitting behind fake walls ready to wake up and be teleported into your active area as you make progress... the opening of Mission 2 is hysterical, you're immediately faced with a half-dozen imps and another half-dozen cacodemons, coming from Mission 1 where you'd be lucky to come out with more than a handful of bullets, maybe 30 shells, and several rockets.

The way you can play enemies off each other is fun, and I don't recall that really being a thing with the newer DOOMs, or many games in general. It's often the key to ammo efficiency, allowing a room full of *insert enemy type* and *insert second enemy type* piss each other off with friendly fire. I actually played with the old level editor CAD systems quite a bit and made my own campaign as a young nerd, and one of the levels I had made involved giving you no ammo and requiring you to utilize enemy friendly fire to clear a large room of shit. I spent a lot of time fucking with that level editor, fun times.

Really looking forward to wrapping up Ep4 and moving on to DOOM II. My fondest memories are of that campaign. There are so many moments throughout these where as soon as I load into the level I remember exactly what is waiting for me, and dread it. They really managed theme and balance here to make every enemy an interesting threat. Each enemy type, you encounter it and you're like "oh fuck, not these fuckers." Obvious exception being pistol soldiers. And that Cacodemon alert sound... the thing of nightmares. Also looking forward to the super shotgun, Pinkies and Spectres are annoying without it. Then there's all of the other "master level" campaigns they bundled into this one, a couple of which I have never played. I bought and played Final DOOM (Evilution and Plutonia Experiment), but I've never heard of No Rest for the Living, Sigil, or Legacy of Rust, which apparently has new enemies and weapons, and all of which are semi-official or official. Tons of content here for $10.

Apparently, they've done a great job of getting co-op up to modern speed as well. Some of my best childhood memories are playing DOOM and DOOM II campaign co-op with friends and family. If anyone ever feels like it, the game is $10 (or less), hit me up in DM's or on FoH Discord and I'll play some DOOM with you sometime.

One of these days I will make a (hopefully worthy) successor to DOOM. This old-style frenetic "just kill the enemies" type of gameplay still has a place in gaming. No need for extra bullshit mechanics. Just pick up weapons and slaughter enemies. Lots and lots of enemies.
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Yeah everyone's crying about woke when it's actually cash shops destroying games.

Just gamer things.
the funny thing about that is t hat people have an inherent tolerance for micros/cash shops when the game isn't a steaming pile of shit or blatant propaganda. path of exile dweebs almost universally buy the banks and a skin/supporter pack here and there because they like the product. mmo players buy the xpansions with the extra pre-order hat and a house item. waifu game guys often enjoy SOME play aspect of their game or they'd just collect jpegs.

the complaint about woke shit infesting games is that it is altering previous lines of products and turning them into turds. and people can't even abide buying that sort of product ot begin with.

it's certainly two problems that are bad in gaming, but the cash shop cannot hope to exist when activists are extruding steaming piles of diced up ass instead of the product folks were used to enjoying.
 

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the funny thing about that is t hat people have an inherent tolerance for micros/cash shops when the game isn't a steaming pile of shit or blatant propaganda. path of exile dweebs almost universally buy the banks and a skin/supporter pack here and there because they like the product. mmo players buy the xpansions with the extra pre-order hat and a house item. waifu game guys often enjoy SOME play aspect of their game or they'd just collect jpegs.
Na, all of this stuff is getting way overdone.

Fuck the whole "preorder and pay 30 dollars extra to play our shitty game 4 days ahead of time" nonsense.

Every time I try playing D4 again, seeing the cash shop on login has me saying nope.

PoE's is tolerable only because it has no box price to begin with, and happens to be a best-in-class game.
 

Chris

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Everyone is missing that popular Gatcha, Cash Shop Cosmetic and Battle Pass games are free. That's fine!

People hate paying box price or subscriptions with that additional monetisation.

In my opinion, box price must mean a feature complete single player game. Subscription must mean extensive online multiplayer features with frequent content update. Paid cosmetics or battle pass must mean free game.
 

Mist

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Everyone is missing that popular Gatcha, Cash Shop Cosmetic and Battle Pass games are free. That's fine!

People hate paying box price or subscriptions with that additional monetisation.

In my opinion, box price must mean a feature complete single player game. Subscription must mean extensive online multiplayer features with frequent content update. Paid cosmetics or battle pass must mean free game.
Another person I hate agreeing with.
 
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Chris

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Another person I hate agreeing with.
So maybe you are the problem? I don't go out of my way to antagonise you like others do, and generally I agree with you.
 
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