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Butthurt

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but then you get found guilty b/c

juror 1:
"if he was innocent, he woulda taken the stand!!!"

this is all about how kyle "looks" to the jury
I think this is why he’s up there in the first place. Part of a criminal jury selection is beating into their heads that the fifth amendment means you cant infer shit from him not taking the stand, precisely because jurors will forget about the fifth and say exactly what you said right there.
 

LiquidDeath

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That was the same argument the MSM had the week it happened.

"He shouldn't have been there."

I have a very good friend, former cop, who has been going off on how Kyle should never have been there and this wasn't his community. It is insanity. This is a person who believes in the 2nd amendment as a bulwark against tyranny, but I can't get it through his head that 1) Kyle gets to pick his community, not anyone else and 2) when the government and law enforcement abdicate their responsibility to the people and property (tax payers) then it is completely within a responsible citizen's right to go protect and defend the his community and its property from lawlessness.
 
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Hateyou

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That was the same argument the MSM had the week it happened.

"He shouldn't have been there."
Same stance my lefty family members took when it happened.

I asked if the fucking rioters should have been there? No one would have felt the need to go defend a neighborhood if the fucking rioters aren’t there. Or if the cops did their fucking jobs. But yeah, the kid that gets attacked is the problem. Fucking disgusting.
 
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Zapatta

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That was the same argument the MSM had the week it happened.

"He shouldn't have been there."

But the arsonists, pedophilies, persons prohibited from having firearms and the folks who crossed multiple state lines to bring the Portland style rioting to Kenosha totally had a right to show up.
 
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jayrebb

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Conservative right wingers also took the "He shouldn't have been there" stance. Go ask some older right wing their opinion, same everywhere.

It's a cop out.

The question is, will the jury go into this with that cop out in mind before they even begin deliberations.
 
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Same stance my lefty family members took when it happened.

I asked if the fucking rioters should have been there? No one would have felt the need to go defend a neighborhood if the fucking rioters aren’t there. Or if the cops did their fucking jobs. But yeah, the kid that gets attacked is the problem. Fucking disgusting.
chauvin shouldn't have been a police officer, if he chose another profession george floyd would still be alive!!!
(maybe)
 

LiquidDeath

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Conservative right wingers also took the "He shouldn't have been there" stance. Go ask some older right wing their opinion, same everywhere.

It's a cop out.
Exactly.

Most of them believe that he did act in self defense, but call him stupid and irresponsible for being there. It is insanity that they believe we should allow rioters to destroy communities that the government and police have allowed to devolve into lawlessness.

I've even been given a "Well, it isn't like this is the apocalypse. The police were a block away." And I said, "Exactly, the police were a block away, in force, but refused to move in and stop the lawlessness."
 

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Well, he was part of a group who WAS attacking him. I'm sure this varies by state, but I'm pretty sure it was established in a high profile case in the past few years that if you're being attacked by a group and any one of them does something that warrants a lethal response, then you're justified using it against any of them. I just don't know if that's a legal principal or something in individual state laws. It would make sense and would be unreasonable to expect the victim to be able to pick out who needed more or less force. Once the shooting starts, anyone still coming after you should be assumed to have lethal intent.

You were probably being facetious but your comment reminded me of that.

Correct, I wasn't seriously saying he should have waited until he got shot before returning fire.

That was the case the prosecution was making, though.
 
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I have a very good friend, former cop, who has been going off on how Kyle should never have been there and this wasn't his community.
Remind your dumbass friend that Kyle lived 15 minutes away and worked in Kenosha, and that the rioters travelled farther to get there than he did.
 
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I have a very good friend, former cop, who has been going off on how Kyle should never have been there and this wasn't his community. It is insanity. This is a person who believes in the 2nd amendment as a bulwark against tyranny, but I can't get it through his head that 1) Kyle gets to pick his community, not anyone else and 2) when the government and law enforcement abdicate their responsibility to the people and property (tax payers) then it is completely within a responsible citizen's right to go protect and defend the his community and its property from lawlessness.

tell that fuck if the cops had stopped the rioters from doing 2 billion in property damage and 25+ murders that summer there wouldn't have been a sense of lawlessness like the cops weren't protecting everyone if he's gonna be all territorial
 
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Sounds like prosecutors across the nation should undergo getting thier heads kicked in just so they understand the difference between the bullshit they are pushing and reality.
 
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the irony is in 99% of the cases it is the prosecutor arguing that kicking someone is murder. It's just these weird social justice cases where the prosecution is forced to downplay the actual criminals to attack the self defense response.
 
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If Kyle "shouldn't have been there" then no one should have been there. I can actually agree with the statement "Kyle should not have been there" because no one "should" have been. Operative word being "should". The only people that "should" have been there were Police and Firefighters and because the police followed their orders to withdraw there was no way firefighters were going in. If "protesters", and their support structures (medics, food and water suppliers, media, etc.) "should" have been there then so should have counter-protesters and their support structures. You can't say one group "shouldn't" have been there while ignoring all the others that were that as well. The only people that SHOULD have been there were the Police and look at what they did.

If the police won't defend your community then it behooves patriotic citizens to do so in their absence and any charges related to citizens defending said community must also be levied on the police for abdicating their responsibility and/or the politicians who issued the order. Citizens in a lawful society should never have to take the law into their own hands, that is what the police are there for but "should not have to" does not mean the same thing as "may not have to" because just because something shouldn't happen doesn't mean it can't, or won't, happen.

It's largely irrelevant whether or not he should or shouldn't have been there, Rosenwhatever, short bald dude, shouldn't have been there and if he hadn't of been there he might still be alive. Same with the other dude that died and if that putz with the handgun handn't of been there then he would still be able to flex like a comic character. If you make the argument that "Mr. Rittenhouse should not have been there" then you must also make the equal argument that neither should have the three people that got shot.

The police should never, ever, abandon a protest. The moment they do they, the police and/or whomever issues the order to withdraw, should be equally accountable for any property damage, injury, and/or loss of life that may occur as a result of that withdrawal. If a soldier is given what is later considered to be a "bad order" they are accountable for not having resisted that order to "do the right thing", why are not the police being held to that same standard?

I'm ranting, sorry. **rubs temples**

Last thought, to you patriot citizens of the USA isn't their only one true community;

The United States of America and The Republic For Which It Stands?

Is not something that threatens one part of that Republic a threat to the Republic as a whole? Or am I just being melodramatic/romantic about the nature of Patriotism in the modern age?
 
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ROFL



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That was the same argument the MSM had the week it happened.

"He shouldn't have been there."

It's such an insane argument...its a perfect example of double think.

They are essentially saying Kyle should have known anyone out there that night was looking for trouble because of how bad the riots were.....But their dogma doesn't apply this to the people who attacked Kyle.
 
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