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Gravel

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Xadion said:
Hardholm was basically the last "big" wildling "city" and it is fairly close to the "edge" corner - of the wall - its like eastwatch just on the other side of the wall - the army of the dead destroyed it and all other wildling camps from the deep north all the way to the wall. "The Dead" did not come from nowwhere, they ARE the wildlings that have been living in the north and have been killed.

The wall is "magic" in its creation and as a boundary - so they are not just waiting to GET to the wall and then just wonder past it, its not that we are literally waiting for them to GET there and just walk past it.

We are waiting for the "Event" to happen that will allow the white walkers, and their undead hordes to pass the wall.

Also the "South" -North, the area near the wall - was not as cold/deep north as the north-north- they noticed cooling whenever a white walker was by, they apparently need this very deep cold - as "winter comes" it makes the parts of the north that were "cold...but not fuckn COLD" now fuckn cold and the walks do not need to exert their power to make the area around them "deep cold" or whatever you want to label it as.

So now that winter is here, we are awaiting whatever the event is that allows them to pass the wall...we are not waiting for them to literally "get to the wall" because yes, they have had years and shambling zombies would have eventually gotten there.
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I get that. As viewers, we're waiting for that event. But for the characters of the show, they can't know that the wall will inevitably have some trigger event that allows them to pass through. That'd be ridiculous.

The whole thing just points back to terrible writing by GRRM, similar to post-book 3. He needs to get the pieces in place to move the story along. But in this case, one of his pieces just has to sit there...for years. The White Walkers are literally just sitting in one spot playing with their dicks. Except we're constantly shown them "marching." Marching in fucking circles, biding their time, apparently.
 
Merrith

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Xadion said:
Hardholm was basically the last "big" wildling "city" and it is fairly close to the "edge" corner - of the wall - its like eastwatch just on the other side of the wall - the army of the dead destroyed it and all other wildling camps from the deep north all the way to the wall. "The Dead" did not come from nowwhere, they ARE the wildlings that have been living in the north and have been killed.

The wall is "magic" in its creation and as a boundary - so they are not just waiting to GET to the wall and then just wonder past it, its not that we are literally waiting for them to GET there and just walk past it.

We are waiting for the "Event" to happen that will allow the white walkers, and their undead hordes to pass the wall.

Also the "South" -North, the area near the wall - was not as cold/deep north as the north-north- they noticed cooling whenever a white walker was by, they apparently need this very deep cold - as "winter comes" it makes the parts of the north that were "cold...but not fuckn COLD" now fuckn cold and the walks do not need to exert their power to make the area around them "deep cold" or whatever you want to label it as.

So now that winter is here, we are awaiting whatever the event is that allows them to pass the wall...we are not waiting for them to literally "get to the wall" because yes, they have had years and shambling zombies would have eventually gotten there.
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Hardhome is actually slightly further north than the Fist of the First Men I believe, and probably about same distance to Eastwatch from there as it is from Castle Black to Fist of the First men (roughly). It is basically straight north from Eastwatch but it's on a peninsula that sticks out to the north.
 
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Gravel said:
I get that. As viewers, we're waiting for that event. But for the characters of the show, they can't know that the wall will inevitably have some trigger event that allows them to pass through. That'd be ridiculous.

The whole thing just points back to terrible writing by GRRM, similar to post-book 3. He needs to get the pieces in place to move the story along. But in this case, one of his pieces just has to sit there...for years. The White Walkers are literally just sitting in one spot playing with their dicks. Except we're constantly shown them "marching." Marching in fucking circles, biding their time, apparently.
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They might have too. Were they dependent on winter coming first so they could invade?

White Walkers possess the magical powers related to ice and cold. Their arrival is usually accompanied by blizzards and the dropping of temperatures.
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So it may make sense that while they await winter to come, the White Walkers stay beyond the wall in extreme cold. Only advancing when Winter comes for the rest of Westeros. Also, it may be a prelude for the entire smash. "Winter is here". Winter basically signifying white walkers invasion this entire time.
 
Soygen

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Yeah, Hardhome is a good distance from the Wall still. If the undead had Jon's boat, they would be in Dorne by now, though.

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Merrith said:
Hardhome is actually slightly further north than the Fist of the First Men I believe, and probably about same distance to Eastwatch from there as it is from Castle Black to Fist of the First men (roughly). It is basically straight north from Eastwatch but it's on a peninsula that sticks out to the north.
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Okay, but the point is the WW's have been moving slowly south - that IS what the problem was with the wildlings and why they finally united under Mance, they were getting pushed down from the north and being pushed up from the wall by the Nights Watch .

White Walkers, individually are all over - fuck there was one almost right by the wall IN THE FIRST CHAPTER - if they could have attacked or gotten past the wall they would have been doing so, but no - they killed the little band of wildlings and then the watchers that investigated and the one that lived when batshit and b-lined it back and just kept going ALL THE WAY TO WINTERFEL lol

The comments that the magic ice zombies and fire dragons were shoehorn additions to GRRMs masterfully written political drama and intriguing retelling of the war of the roses and are now ruining his poor poor masterpiece! Wrong, the damn thing is called a Song of Ice and Fire... THE FIRST INTRODUCTION we have to this world involves dead men rising from the dead and some being of magic and myth controlling them and killing these dudes that just got 5 pages of backstroy to fake you out that they were meaningful.... It has always been magic and dragons and zombies... the political stuff was FILLER that became popular so he KEPT FEEDING THE MASSES FILLER and now we are at the end...so what do you do.
 
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Gravel

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I mean, we talk about some of the big trips, but even Tormund just waltzed up to the wall from Winterfell in the blink of an eye. That looks to be, what, 3-4x the distance between Hardhome and the wall? And that was literally just one episode.
 
Merrith

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Anyone got a map to where Bran's training cave was? Obviously at this point feels like the NK could have marched his army to the Wall by now (unless they need something to happen in order for them to cross, which hasn't happened yet), but if their little circle of stones which makes the babies Craster was feeding them into WW's was in far north, they'd have to keep traveling there, go to Hardhome, trace Bran to wherever the training cave was...you get the point though, it's probably unlikely they've just been marching south this whole time, but back and forth eliminating any small enclaves of Wildlings (or anything living) that they could in order to grow the army.
 
Merrith

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Gravel said:
I mean, we talk about some of the big trips, but even Tormund just waltzed up to the wall from Winterfell in the blink of an eye. That looks to be, what, 3-4x the distance between Hardhome and the wall? And that was literally just one episode.
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More than one episode. Jon told him to go to Eastwatch, and Jon traveled to Dragonstone and was "held" there by Dany for a little while all before he ends up going up to Eastwatch. Think Tormund had plenty of time to get up there.
 
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This was on the GoT wiki as a reference to where the cave is in the books.


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Merrith

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Beat me to it. If he spent years there like Sam said, he must have been training for a long time. That's not as far from the wall as they seemed to have traveled.
 
Fadaar

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So I just had a thought -- what if Jon and co. forcibly taking a WW south of the wall sets up whatever the Night King needs to happen to be able to advance? We haven't seen the episode yet so it could either be by boat or by land, but with them leaving through Eastwatch gate I'd think they would come back the same way.
 
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Dalien said:
Every episode of Pawn Stars ever:

CUSTOMER: Hey I was scuba diving in the ruins of the Titanic and found this priceless diamond necklace.
PAWN SHOP GUY: Wow that looks pretty valuable, I know a guy who can appraise it, let me call him.
APPRAISER: Wow that necklace is uber rare and worth at least $50,000.
PAWN SHOP GUY: Ok I can give you $10 for it.
CUSTOMER: Oh come on man it's worth $50,000 can you at least do $20?
PAWN SHOP GUY: Ok best I can do is $15.
CUSTOMER: Deal.
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