GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

You're not necessarily supposed to just show the actual people traveling 1800 miles constantly, sure. But when there is a large, long journey that's important to the central story as a whole, you at least want to convey that 1: It takes time (tension), and 2: Other people are doing their own shit during this time. The earlier seasons did that, and the books as far as they go do that as well. Not that the books are immune to plot holes but there's a hell of a lot fewer dumb questions from the books compared to what the show is currently throwing around which is part of what got people wrapped up in the series in the first place.

I don't think this is a case of GRRM writing himself into a corner, I think this is a case of getting too far removed from the books and him possibly throwing some basics at the show writers and them trying to fill it in and showing what they come up with when they have a lot fewer details to work with. Or GRRM is just fucking with everyone and doing his own fanfic ahead of the real books to test the waters on some shit, who knows. If the rest of the books ever see print I would be surprised if the show even came close to showing much of it beyond the big Zombie vs. Dragon matchup which the show is basically simplifying to.

Fadaar said:

So I just had a thought -- what if Jon and co. forcibly taking a WW south of the wall sets up whatever the Night King needs to happen to be able to advance? We haven't seen the episode yet so it could either be by boat or by land, but with them leaving through Eastwatch gate I'd think they would come back the same way.

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If this were true though, wouldn't the one WW dead guy that they had in Castle Black that reanimated while there and Jon had to fight off/burn to kill have qualified as well?

Cersei already has an undead mountain. How will a wight convince her?

Merrith said:

If this were true though, wouldn't the one WW dead guy that they had in Castle Black that reanimated while there and Jon had to fight off/burn to kill have qualified as well?

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A WW is not the same as a undead zombie - they are most likely just going to go grab a zombie or two and bring that back - they referenced that the undead can be - beyond the wall with Jon saying "The first wright I saw as 'at Castle Black' " and castle black is technically on the "other side" of the wall from were the WW's are.

Also it shows that the dead can be revived if they are in close proximity to a white walker, or their "cold presence" - this was not explored much in the show other than they started burning corpses at castle black, I do not know if the book had more detail.

I think we will start seeing the influence of the WW's winter/cold being that dead beyond the wall - like past the gift area etc. start to rise.. So this shows, intentionally or not - that the WW's magic is already "Slightly" beyond the wall, something that I ASSUME has not been a problem for THOUSANDS OF YEARS because Lord Mormont was not like "oh someone died, burn them or they will turn into a zombie" - this is a new thing.

Khane said:

Cersei already has an undead mountain. How will a wight convince her?

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I mean, Qyburn hasn't been peddling his work on tens of thousands of dead Wildlings north of the Wall.

And Xadion, I was using WW interchangeably with "wight" so my mistake there. I don't think they're actually going to capture one of the real WW's.

Bubbles said:

I want to see the Mountain fight one of the dragons. I would be fucking epic

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Fire...ash Mountain. Not very epic.

Why do the White Walkers ride horses while the Wights... walk...

Food for thought gentlemen.

Merrith said:

If this were true though, wouldn't the one WW dead guy that they had in Castle Black that reanimated while there and Jon had to fight off/burn to kill have qualified as well?

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Was that a WW that came in or just someone who died north of the wall re-animating? I can't remember. Either way, good point.

Fadaar said:

Was that a WW that came in or just someone who died north of the wall re-animating? I can't remember. Either way, good point.

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I think it was just someone who died, wasn't an actual WW

Fadaar said:

Was that a WW that came in or just someone who died north of the wall re-animating? I can't remember. Either way, good point.

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It was just a dead guy animating, it was not a white walker (the others) it was just a zombie.