GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Merrith
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Although Tuco...it was the Lannister (or at least, Jaime) who tried to kill Bran at first, so capturing a Lannister wasn't completely without merit, she just had the wrong man, because Littlefinger manipulated her into believing he sent the assassin to finish the job. Whether she fucked up with Jaime in the long run is sort of still unresolved, as her 2 daughters are still both alive. Letting him go definitely helped destabilize Robb's army, but wouldn't the Frays/Boltons still have betrayed them for him being an idiot and breaking his oath?
does walder frey have a retarded son on the show? i know catelyn takes him hostage in the book but i don't recall seeing him on television.
Gavinmad
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Uh, if the Starks still had Jaime prisoner, Tywin wouldn't have have been willing to risk his heir being killed, which means the Freys and Boltons would have had nothing to gain by stabbing Robb in the back.
Tuco
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Are you arguing that Catelyn didn't make completely stupid decisions, or are you arguing that she and Rob would've totally failed and been brutally murdered even if she was completely passive?
Also I remember her talking Ned into going to King's Landing which was a monumentally stupid decision. Even Bobby B should've seen that coming. Ned Stark is the worst hand of the king ever. 10 minutes after Robert Baratheon tosses Ned the keys, Ned drives the car off the cliff just to try to land on Tywin's house.
Besides the myriad of other reasons the phrase "the purple wedding" is gay, it also takes longer to say than Joff's wedding. The purpose of giving it a name should be for brevity's sake, not to be cutesy, silly queers.
the wolves seem to come and go as they please. ghost abandoned jon earlier in the season i believe.
Merrith
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That is a good point, although from the books, I got the impression having something to gain wasn't the only reason for the Freys and the Boltons betraying the Starks. Walder was incensed at the slight to his family when Robb broke his oath, and Roose...well, Bolton gonna Bolton it felt like. Now if they would not have acted unless they had Lannister backing, then your point makes perfect sense, and thinking about it, I could see that being an issue, as Walder would know his family would be forever shunned/hated otherwise for breaking the hospitality rule.
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You think that the Red Wedding is that much shorter than Robb's Wedding? To me the benefit of calling it the Purple Wedding is that it doesn't really spoil much. People were chanting "can't wait for the red wedding" this season and it still didn't give too much away. Though it was still retarded when the people were doing it.
hodj
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If she hadn't rejected him, and gotten him almost killed in the process by Eddard's older brother, he probably wouldn't have turned to being a scheming fuck in the first place.
Its so obvious she's the cause of everything wrong with Petyr its not even funny.
Merrith
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I'm arguing she did make some stupid decisions, but she was clearly manipulated into some of them by Littlefinger (with an assist from her own sister as well). If we're going back to Ned, somehow I don't think he says no to Bobby B asking him no matter what...too much honor. Going back even further, even that decision arises due to the manipulations of LF (again with with the assist to Lysa) creating the vacancy.
Honestly I just think the Starks were doomed from the start, based on Ned's honor, and the manipulations that pushed them into every corner until they were fucked. A little bad luck along the way didn't help either (Bronn winning the fight, Jaime and Brienne not making it to KL). Who knows if either of those would have significantly changed things, but I don't think Catelyn's decisions alone were their doom, stupid as they were, because they were expertly pushed into many of them.
Tuco
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I just assumed Bolton and Frey knew who the winning side was going to be and just wanted to join in when they could get a good deal. And it's tough to say what Walder thinks or how bad the repercussions really will be for his acts. He's likely going to die soon and it's unknown what kind of blame for the red wedding will carry on to his descendants. Depending on what kind of deal he made with Tywin the Frey name could have been helped by his actions.
Robb:
Married a girl he loved after his fucking retarded mother sold his hand in marriage to appease a fucking bannerman of her father's house.
Not sure what you mean.
Killed Karstark which was necessary after he slaughtered children because he was so mad that Robb's retarded mother freed the world's best hostage.
Merrith
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Tuco
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Haha I was more thinking that she should know that he's a scheming fucker and should've given Ned fair warning not to trust him. He's so slimey and obvious it's comical. Especially in the TV show when the actor gets this creepy pedophile voice and starts creeping out everyone.
Shonuff
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He's trolling. You could send him a picture of Joffrey assraping Tenk's Dad, and he'd still say he's OK.
Tuco
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I mean that Robb sat around and diddled himself when he had a huge army and could've done something useful. His chastisement of Edmure is hypocritical since he did the same thing on a larger scale.
And lol @ appeasing a fucking bannerman, without that appeasement Robb's army would've been stuck at the twins.