GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

"Mentally fucked up women" is extremely redundant...

Tenks_sl said:

ftfy

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While not all women might have "beat the shit out of me while you force me to have sex with you" fantasies, they all have fantasies of domination/being dominated. Essentially, they want the "rape", sans the violence(most of the violence).

That is one enormous brush you're painting with

Out of character? Out of character for a sister-fucking, attempted child murderer? Oooooook.

At least he's good enough to limit his raping to family.

Lambourne_sl said:

What did you lot think of the scene with Jamie and Cercei? On reddit it's all "omg rape" and how it was supposedly out of character for Jamie.
Personally, I didn't think it came across as rape at all. To me it seemed she was reluctant at first (I guess in a church next to your dead child is not the most appropriate location) but gave in to lust later.

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I think it was rape, and I don't see how it's out of character for Jaime at all.

For all we really know, in the show, this is how their incest started to begin with. I guess I just think it's weird that anyone would findthisto be a problem. Incest + Child Murdering = Sir Lancelot GoodGuy. Incest + Child Murdering + Rape = TOO FAR.

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People are chimps.

Well he's definitely changed.He feels like he is half a man now because he lost his sword hand, and now he is being rejected by the woman he wants more then any woman in the world.

He even spouts that line before the rape " Why did the gods curse me to love a woman as vile as you"

Tuco_sl said:

That's a bit of a reductionist and simplistic viewpoint though that ignores how Jaime is extremely kind to his sister and how he's changing character.

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Not at all. If you're going to consider his character, you need to consider his character.

This is a guy who for 30 years of his life was fucking his sister. We have got to assume that Bran isn't the first, considering how completely nonchalant Jaime is about the murder. That bran actually survived, and Jaimes reaction to THAT, is not exactly a mark in his favor either.

Is a rape a setback for his redemption? Undoubtably so. Is he obviously trying to find some sort of redemption? Yes. Is the rape out of the range of his character? Not even a little bit.

Edit: You can get even more detailed than that to point out how completely hollow Jaime's morality is in the context of the show itself. But I'd probably get accused of nostradouching if I tried. He's a very simple character, to be honest. Might makes right -- but what happens when you are no longer mighty? I've come around with Jaime in the show. I don't find him repugnant anymore, I do think he's one of the stronger characters that the show has. But I honestly don't find him to be all that complex. Detailed, maybe, but his entire character revolves around variations on 2 themes. If I really wanted to be reductionist, I'd claim it was only 1! But no, honestly it is Duty and Love.

Tenks_sl said:

That is one enormous brush you're painting with

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Right, the whole "not all women are like that" trope. Anyway, so as not to risk driving this thread too far off course, I'll simply state that I categorically disagree with your assertions that "not all women are like that". If you'd like further insight as to why, feel free to PM me.

I don't know, I think Tywin actually does treat Tyrion quite well if you look at his actions (not his words lol).

Tyrion is given a chance to prove himself as Hand of the King basically being the ruler of Westeros for a while and is then made Master of Coin which while a tough job is really fucking important as we see later with the Iron Bank and Stannis. Meanwhile he is given the best bride in Westeros which potentially promotes him to head one of the great families. I can't belive that Tywin intented for The Mountain to kill The Viper at the trial either, Dorne being happy is more important than a henchman.

The problem is that Tywin is harsh in his lessons for his children and Tyrion's ego can't get over verbal slights or the trauma of his childhood, so he moans constantly about how tough his life is and how he isn't getting recognition. If Tyrion just kept his mouth shut and worked for more than a few months without asking for more or pissing people off on purpose then everything would have been fine.

Also since Tyrion wanted Casterly Rock, all he had to do was wait for Tywin to die right? He was officially next in line, it didn't matter what Tywin thought about it unless he succeeded in getting Jamie out of the Kingsguard. Even if that happened he could have worked for Winterfel.

You can't get raped by a cripple. She wanted it. What a whore.

It's rape enough for our society, but I think it was well illustrated in the show that Cersei was conflicted on the act. Rape, but not the worst thing we've seen Jamie do.

Kirun_sl said:

Right, the whole "not all women are like that" trope. Anyway, so as not to risk driving this thread too far off course, I'll simply state that I categorically disagree with your assertions that "not all women are like that". If you'd like further insight as to why, feel free to PM me.

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Nah no need for the PM. You sound pretty qualified as an authority on female psychology I'll just read your paper in whatever journal you choose to publish in.

Has anyone ever presented any evidence of poisoning beyond Tywin's shit smelling like shit? I await Sylas' harshly worded response.