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Lanx

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fight was 2 and 1/2 mins long from the time mountain swung his sword 3 and 1/2 if you count oberyn showboating.

sandor vs beric was just as long and bronn vs the guy he shoves through the moon door is like 4mins. those two didn't come with blood curdling screams.
 

iannis

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was I the only one who was a little disappointed with the fight?
Certainly it was pretty good and had an awesome ending, but didn't seem to match the book in terms of Oberyn being in full control of the fight, darting in and slowing wearing the Mountain down with a thousand cuts. It felt more like he was lucky to get out of the way of a lot of the killer blows and even got thrown around a lot, but then got the lucky opening that allowed him to make a devastating stab.

Also would have liked it to be longer, to really draw out the taunting of Oberyn to get the Mountain to say Elia's name, but I can understand the need to save time in that respect.
It was already verging on Princess Bride as it was. A little more choreography would have been neat, sure. But prolonging it just so he could showboat more I would not have cared for.
 

Grimmlokk

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I was just disappointed in how bad The Mountain was with the sword. He's a huge lumbering guy but we hear about how he's also skilled and surprisingly fast. That guy looked like he'd never used a sword before and moved like a slug. Didn't really get the impression that he was as dangerous as he was supposed to be.

But they hit all the right beats aside from that and closed it just as brutally as you could have wanted so I'm fine with the changes.
 

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I feel like I was picturing the fight with Oberyn going into it to ruin but having the poison as a backup plan, trying to get his surgical cuts in to ensure victory no matter the outcome. I feel like fully jamming a spear into someone's chest and causing internal bleeding and probably puncturing a lung based on depth of penetration isn't going to leave me surprised that the Mountain dies of poison but very much surprised that he had the blood pressure to even move afterwards, or that the exertion he used to move didn't force an air bubble from his massive chest wound into his brain and cause an aneurysm, or that that exertion didn't further cause him to bleed out from increased heart rate through the gigantic fucking chest wound that he suffered, or drown in his own blood. That area is pretty well protected internally for a reason but other than that I thought that the fight was a good duration and was probably like ripping off a band-aid quickly for non book readers. Don't keep their hopes up too long about their new A team member.
 

Drinsic

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They haven't, but it has been assumed since the show runners stated they have aimed for 7 seasons.
I remember seeing something where some HBO executive said he wanted them to aim for 7 seasons, but nothing where the actually show runners say that. If they couldn't get ASoS into one season, I don't see them doing that for either book 6 or 7 with all the shit that hasn't been wrapped up yet. I could see books 4 and 5 being combined into one, but I'm not sure why you would intentionally want to do that unless they're actively trying to outpace the books.
 

Olscratch

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I feel like I was picturing the fight with Oberyn going into it to ruin but having the poison as a backup plan, trying to get his surgical cuts in to ensure victory no matter the outcome. I feel like fully jamming a spear into someone's chest and causing internal bleeding and probably puncturing a lung based on depth of penetration isn't going to leave me surprised that the Mountain dies of poison but very much surprised that he had the blood pressure to even move afterwards, or that the exertion he used to move didn't force an air bubble from his massive chest wound into his brain and cause an aneurysm, or that that exertion didn't further cause him to bleed out from increased heart rate through the gigantic fucking chest wound that he suffered, or drown in his own blood. That area is pretty well protected internally for a reason but other than that I thought that the fight was a good duration and was probably like ripping off a band-aid quickly for non book readers. Don't keep their hopes up too long about their new A team member.
Qyburn says Oberyn used manticore poisoned enhanced with black magic and part of its magic keeps the Mountain alive to draw out his suffering. So as soon as he was pierced the magic could have taken effect animating him.


"Ser Gregor." Qyburn shrugged. "I have examined him, as you commanded. The poison on the Viper's spear was manticore venom from the east, I would stake my life on that."

"Pycelle says no. He told my lord father that manticore venom kills the instant it reaches the heart."

"And so it does. But this venom has been thickened somehow, so as to draw out the Mountain's dying."

"Thickened? Thickened how? With some other substance?"

"It may be as Your Grace suggests, though in most cases adulterating a poison only lessens its potency. It may be that the cause is . . . less natural, let us say. A spell, I think."

Is this one as big a fool as Pycelle? "So are you telling me that the Mountain is dying of some black sorcery?"

Qyburn ignored the mockery in her voice. "He is dying of the venom, but slowly, and in exquisite agony. My efforts to ease his pain have proved as fruitless as Pycelle's. Ser Gregor is overly accustomed to the poppy, I fear. His squire tells me that he is plagued by blinding headaches and oft quaffs the milk of the poppy as lesser men quaff ale. Be that as it may, his veins have turned black from head to heel, his water is clouded with pus, and the venom has eaten a hole in his side as large as my fist. It is a wonder that the man is still alive, if truth be told."

also

"Just as Father intended," said Tyene. "Sisters, truly, I know the poison Father used. If his spear so much as broke the Mountain's skin, Clegane is dead, I do not care how big he was. Doubt your little sister if you like, but never doubt our sire."
 

iannis

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From what I remember the realistic version of it is something between 7 and 9, with 7 being the most likely. Ratings, production costs, salaries, all that stuff starts to matter. This is one area where GRRM's tangential story creep, unfinished books, and screenplay reinterpretations work in favor of the show fans. But the fact that actors actually age IRL works against it.

Its already starting to get hard to take bran seriously. It's only gonna get harder. Any if they do Arya's story it HAS to be next season.

It might have been FoH, but there was a pretty long string of posts, almost a mini-thread of a siderail itself, about how long HBO could possibly run the show. I remember some dudes were like "12 Seasons!!!!", and that's obviously pretty "lulz, nope. Not a damn chance"

But if no one bothers to watch S6 I kinda doubt we'll ever see S7 made. If someone torches the sets, maybe maybe not. HBO has cancelled good series for less.

I'd think 7. The Sopranos only went for 6.
 

Chris

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AFfc was the most divisive of the books because it was split off from adwd since he was writing so fucking slow. To avoid thatseason 5 is gonna have to pull in some stuff from adwd to make up for not having Victarion in the show at all. They already set the groundwork for this last episode with Daario stealing 90 ships.
You what? Is this confirmed!? Victarion is a pretty fucking major plot point and he is in both AFFC and ADWD.
 

Lenas

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Well, good thing Thrones has surpassed Sopranos and is averaging 18.4M viewers in season 4.
 

Ganthorn

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You what? Is this confirmed!? Victarion is a pretty fucking major plot point and he is in both AFFC and ADWD.
I just assumed they would introduce all the new characters they skipped over like victarion and the stuff in dorne next season after the bloodbath that gets rid of a bunch of the characters this season
 
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Cybsled

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Well, good thing Thrones has surpassed Sopranos and is averaging 18.4M viewers in season 4.
It's a double edged sword. Most contract negotiations tend to come into play after 7 seasons, which is why it is rare for many popular shows to go beyond that unless the network is willing to pony up some huge $$$$$$$$$$$$ for actor salary increases. It's one thing to recast the Mountain or Daario, but you really couldn't recast one of the MAIN characters and get away with it.

this is what i hope for. i really want to see the "face room" at the temple.
If it is in the show, I can almost 100% guarantee it will be NOTHING like the book version.
 

Grimmlokk

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I used to agree about the money issues, but the show has just picked up steam. It's at the point now where they probably make enough money and the show gets enough acclaim that they might decide they can afford to pay the higher salaries if they decide to make it 8 or 9 seasons.

Every season the blue rays and digital downloads for the show break HBO records set by it the previous season.
 

Drinsic

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I could see actor salaries getting out of hand, but the show will continue as long as it's profitable. It's naive but I'd like to think if a show like this got shitcanned because of some actors being assholes about salaries, a fan base this rabid would cause problems for said actors.
 

McCheese

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I don't get why a) nobody else has him on ignore or b) he hasn't been banned from the TV forum yet
Because having stupid and/or contrary opinions isn't a bannable offense, nor should it be. If it were, you would have long ago been banned from posting in the weight loss thread.

On topic, I'm really, really looking forward to the Dorne stuff next season. They really hit it out of the park with the casting choice for Oberyn, and I hope they're able to keep it going as they introduce more characters in/from Dorne. I always pictured Dorne and the Dornish as more Middle Eastern, but I really liked Pedro Pascal in the part and I'm looking forward to seeing how they transform southern Spain into Dorne.
 

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From what I remember the realistic version of it is something between 7 and 9, with 7 being the most likely. Ratings, production costs, salaries, all that stuff starts to matter. This is one area where GRRM's tangential story creep, unfinished books, and screenplay reinterpretations work in favor of the show fans. But the fact that actors actually age IRL works against it.

Its already starting to get hard to take bran seriously. It's only gonna get harder. Any if they do Arya's story it HAS to be next season.

It might have been FoH, but there was a pretty long string of posts, almost a mini-thread of a siderail itself, about how long HBO could possibly run the show. I remember some dudes were like "12 Seasons!!!!", and that's obviously pretty "lulz, nope. Not a damn chance"

But if no one bothers to watch S6 I kinda doubt we'll ever see S7 made. If someone torches the sets, maybe maybe not. HBO has cancelled good series for less.

I'd think 7. The Sopranos only went for 6.
The Sopranos was 6 seasons yeah, but the last season was broken into two parts. The other difference is that, while GoT has always been March/April through May/June, Sopranos seemed to have like 18 months between seasons and 2 years between Seasons 5 and 6.

I don't know what that means except maybe the precedent has been set for them to delay GoT seasons up to 18-24 months instead of doing them at the same time every year. I know the concern is the age of some of the younger actors but most of that stuff has been thrown out the window and I think most will just ignore it as long as Maisie Williams doesn't get huge tits or grow a foot taller in the next couple years.
 

Sylas

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All the actors have 6 year contracts, with the option to extend the contract 1 additional year, which is where 7 seasons comes from. After the 7th season they must renegotiate all actor's contracts. Keep in mind they were all signed on for peanuts and the show still costs 60-80mil dollars per season to produce. The first season was made for 60mil and it has increased from there, and none of it was from salary increases to the actors. The highest paid actor is Peter Dinklage at 150k per episode, ie 1.5mil per season. I think Lena Headley makes 100-150k per episode, but most titled stars on the show make only 50k per episode, and there's between 10-15 of those per season depending on how often main characters are killed.

Basically the salary for the actors is like 5-10% of the show's budget, and once their contracts expire, the actors can now collectively bargain for massive increases given how widely popular the show is and how little they made for the first 7 seasons. And it being an ensemble cast there really are at least 10-15 characters that you can't recast if the finances don't work out or they hold out for a bigger paycheck.

So the reality is the show is going to last exactly 7 seasons. an 8th season would either cost waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much money, or they'd gut the entirety of the budget (no location filming, cgi, wardrobes, extra's, etc) and it'd be a show where everything that happens after season 7 is simply read to us by the actors in monologues on a single set.

This isn't Friends where you can pay your actors a million an episode because it's all shot in an apt and a coffee shop and it stars only 6 people.

They've mentioned the possibility of doing a split, extended 7th season like has become popular in some shows, ie like 7 + 7 episodes or something to that affect, to finish the series within the 7 year limit. That's about the extent of what we will get as far as extra episodes to finish the series.
 

Cybsled

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All the actors have 6 year contracts, with the option to extend the contract 1 additional year, which is where 7 seasons comes from. After the 7th season they must renegotiate all actor's contracts. Keep in mind they were all signed on for peanuts and the show still costs 60-80mil dollars per season to produce. The first season was made for 60mil and it has increased from there, and none of it was from salary increases to the actors. The highest paid actor is Peter Dinklage at 150k per episode, ie 1.5mil per season. I think Lena Headley makes 100k per episode, but most titled stars on the show make only 50k per episode, and there's between 10-15 of those per season depending on how often main characters are killed.

Basically the salary for the actors is like 5-10% of the show's budget, and once their contracts expire, the actors can now collectively bargain for massive increases given how widely popular the show is and how little they made for the first 7 seasons. And it being an ensemble cast there really are at least 10-15 characters that you can't recast if the finances don't work out or they hold out for a bigger paycheck.

So the reality is the show is going to last exactly 7 seasons. an 8th season would either cost waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much money, or they'd gut the entirety of the budget (no location filming, cgi, wardrobes, extra's, etc) and it'd be a show where everything that happens after season 7 is simply read to us by the actors in monologues on a single set.

This isn't Friends where you can pay your actors a million an episode because it's all shot in an apt and a coffee shop and it stars only 6 people.

They've mentioned the possibility of doing a split, extended 7th season like has become popular in some shows, ie like 7 + 7 episodes or something to that affect, to finish the series within the 7 year limit. That's about the extent of what we will get as far as extra episodes to finish the series.
This. People forget that you're dealing with a large # of folks who would all want their money. Let's not forget that GoT also wouldn't be the only game in town...I'm sure plenty of productions or films would absolutely love to poach some of the main GoT cast. Creatively, you are also hamstrung: Do you arc it so it has a finale in season 7, or do you risk not being able to meet the demands of certain actors and having a "wtf?" 8th season where you find out people died off screen. Or a reduced production budget? Sure, the show could pick up viewers every single year until the end, but it also could just as easily begin to fade. Don't forget we are moving past the strongest book in the series now and there are significantly less "omgwtfbbq" moments. Jon Snow getting shanked is the only major "wtf" moment still left currently. There is some decent stuff (Dany on Drogon, Arya's ninja training, maybe the Frey pie), but nothing on the level of Joffrey dying, Overyn dying, Tywin dying, etc.

One issue for some shows is they don't know when to end (or they don't know if they will be renewed), so they have quasi-finales and have to do a reset button next season, which can hurt the quality of the show.
 

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The last season will be bran warged into DJ Hodor going HAM on the others as the new Ashbringer Ahai