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Sylas

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Book stannis is awesome.

The biggest difference between book and TV stannis is that book stannis is much closer aligned to Davos and his way of thinking than Melisandre. It's really Mel + Selyse vs Stannis + Davos. Of course stannis heeds her advice especially when her predictions come true, etc, but he's much more begrudgedly cynical towards her than he is in the show. In the show it's basically Stannis + Mel vs Davos. He rarely disagrees with her. He did more in the beginning (season 2) but not really much at all in season 3 and 4.
 

Tuco

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Mance could have had several hundred scale the wall about 2-3 miles to the east and west and just run along the top of the wall and fuck shit up.
Yep.

Like Iannis says it's best not to think about it. Not much of it makes sense.
 

Tarrant

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Not sure what people want. Not much of a story in;

"The Wildings approached the wall...then marched 10 miles up it, scaled it and marched south"

WHEW THAT WAS PRETTY AWESOME!!!! This is a story and entertainment, not a discussion on philosophy of war and actual events that happened in the past.
 

Sylas

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Book Stannis got more mel pussy than Show Stannis and he still wasn't whipped.

He makes 2 shadow babies with Mel in the book and only one on the TV show, and then he's begging for more mel pussy last season.
 

Alex

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Not sure what people want. Not much of a story in;

"The Wildings approached the wall...then marched 10 miles up it, scaled it and marched south"

WHEW THAT WAS PRETTY AWESOME!!!! This is a story and entertainment, not a discussion on philosophy of war and actual events that happened in the past.
You can excuse a lot of shitty stories with that kind of logic.
 

Khane

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You can excuse a lot of shitty stories with that kind of logic.
Not really, shitty stories don't have any compelling characters, interesting settings or plot strength. GoT is hardly a shitty story.
 

Tarrant

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It's not an excuse, it's a story. You sit there wonder for a moment "yeah they shoulda just did that" and move on. Did people lose sleep Stannis wanting to lang thousands of troops on a tiny beach when he could have dumped them off up shore a bit and then just blockaded the harbor line any normal person should have done?

No?

Okay.

Take the sand out of your vagina's and just enjoy the story. Gesh.
 

Gamma Rays

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I was coming here to ask about the straw-men on the wall, had I seen right?.

I had been thinking back over the show and I had a brief memory of it.

It was a short couple of shots as shown at the top of the page, straw-men with their torches being lit. Then a view from Mance's position of the burning torches going a big span of the wall. But yeah no real mention of it as being part of the plan.
 

Fingz_sl

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The show Stannis is just another idiot who wants the throne.

The book Stannis is someone who someone like Davos would willingly follow even though it meant his death or the death of his sons. Stannis granted Davos knighthood because of merit, not blood.

The book Stannis would never tolerate someone like the Mountain.
 

Fingz_sl

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The show Stannis is just another idiot who wants the throne.

The book Stannis is someone who someone like Davos would willingly follow even though it meant his death or the death of his sons. Stannis granted Davos knighthood because of merit, not blood.

The book Stannis would never tolerate someone like the Mountain.
 

Vandyn

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Show Stannis is a shell of what the book character is. I'll be surprised if show Stannis ever says something like this:

?Edric?? he started.
??is one boy! He may be the best boy who ever drew breath and it would not matter. My duty is to the realm.? His hand swept across the
Painted Table. ?How many boys dwell in Westeros? How many girls? How many men, how many women? The darkness will devour them all,
she says. The night that never ends. She talks of prophecies . . . a hero reborn in the sea, living dragons hatched from dead stone . . . she
speaks of signs and swears they point to me. I never asked for this, no more than I asked to be king. Yet dare I disregard her?? He ground
his teeth. ?We do not choose our destinies. Yet we must . . . we must do our duty, no? Great or small, we must do our duty.


or this

"Lord Seaworth is a man of humble birth, but he reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne." Stannis pointed north. "There is where I'll find the enemy I was born to fight"
 

VariaVespasa_sl

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How can they hope to stop another attack with the gate pretty much shot? It didn't even feel like that was a real assault on the castle.
Well, this is GRR "Everybody Dies" Martin we're talking about- maybe they dont stop it. The wildings
flooding over the wall and sweeping south might be setup for next season, and a nice lesson in why you dont dick around with civil wars in the face of a major invasion and an oncoming winter. Just a thought.
 

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I don't remember it. I do agree that there hasn't been much character development with Stannis. Most of the scenes with him are to show the frustration of Davos and how hot Melisandre is.
 

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Episode was dope. Archergiant was baller. Scythe was tits. Thorne was as badass as he should have been, weaponmaster of Castle Black and all.

I never get tired of the absolutes people apply to future episodes/books. It's never "I think this is how it will be". It's always "THEY CAN NOT POSSIBLY FIT THIS IN! THEY WILL SHOW THIS EXACTLY HOW I THINK! SO SPEAKETH RANDOM INTERNET DOUCHEBAG, SO IT IS LAW!"
 

Sylas

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Show stannis has said that speech almost word for word, but in a completely different context. Show stannis is kinda naive, completely Melisandre's pawn, and eagerly wants to be king cus it's his right.

book stannis is just different, his lines are inbold. last stannis chapter before surprise rescue at the wall:

Melisandre moved closer. "Save them, sire. Let me wake the stone dragons. Three is three. Give me the boy."
"Edric Storm," Davos said.
Stannis rounded on him in a cold fury."I know his name. Spare me your reproaches. I like this no more than you do, but my duty is to the realm. My duty..."He turned back to Melisandre."You swear there is no other way? Swear it on your life, for I promise, you shall die by inches if you lie."



chapter before that one:
"I am not seeing the body, no, Your Kingliness," said Salladhor Saan. "Yet in the city, the lions prance and dance. The Red Wedding, the smallfolk are calling it. They swear Lord Frey had the boy's head hacked off, sewed the head of his direwolf in its place, and nailed a crown about his ears. His lady mother was slain as well, and thrown naked in the river."
At a wedding, thought Davos. As he sat at his slayer's board, a guest beneath his roof. These Freys are cursed. He could smell the burning blood again, and hear the leech hissing and spitting on the brazier's hot coals.
"It was the Lord's wrath that slew him," Ser Axell Florent declared. "It was the hand of R'hllor!"
"Praise the Lord of Light!" sang out Queen Selyse, a pinched thin hard woman with large ears and a hairy upper lip.
"Is the hand of R'hllor spotted and palsied?"asked Stannis."This sounds more Walder Frey's handiwork than any god's."
"R'hllor chooses such instruments as he requires." The ruby at Melisandre's throat shone redly. "His ways are mysterious, but no man may withstand his fiery will."
"No man may withstand him!" the queen cried.
"Be quiet, woman. You are not at a nightfire now."



"More?"Stannis looked as though he would gladly have throttled her."More usurpers? More traitors?"
"I have seen it in the flames."
Queen Selyse went to the king's side. "The Lord of Light sent Melisandre to guide you to your glory. Heed her, I beg you. R'hllor's holy flames do not lie."
"There are lies and lies, woman. Even when these flames speak truly, they are full of tricks, it seems to me."



"Give me the boy for R'hllor," the red woman said, "and the ancient prophecy shall be fulfilled. Your dragon shall awaken and spread his stony wings. The kingdom shall be yours."
Ser Axell went to one knee. "On bended knee I beg you, sire. Wake the stone dragon and let the traitors tremble. Like Aegon you begin as Lord of Dragonstone. Like Aegon you shall conquer. Let the false and the fickle feel your flames."
"Your own wife begs as well, lord husband." Queen Selyse went down on both knees before the king, hands clasped as if in prayer. "Robert and Delena defiled our bed and laid a curse upon our union. This boy is the foul fruit of their fornications. Lift his shadow from my womb and I will bear you many trueborn sons, I know it." She threw her arms around his legs. "He is only one boy, born of your brother's lust and my cousin's shame."
"He is mine own blood. Stop clutching me, woman."King Stannis put a hand on her shoulder, awkwardly untangling himself from her grasp."Perhaps Robert did curse our marriage bed. He swore to me that he never meant to shame me, that he was drunk and never knew which bedchamber he entered that night. But does it matter? The boy was not at fault, whatever the truth."



"Your Grace!" Davos edged forward. "Might I speak?"
Stannis closed his mouth so hard his teeth snapped."My lord of the Rainwood. Why do you think I made you Hand, if not to speak?"The king waved a hand."Say what you will."
Warrior, make me brave. "I know little of dragons and less of gods... but the queen spoke of curses. No man is as cursed as the kinslayer, in the eyes of gods and men."
"There are no gods save R'hllor and the Other, whose name must not be spoken." Melisandre's mouth made a hard red line. "And small men curse what they cannot understand."
"I am a small man," Davos admitted, "so tell me why you need this boy Edric Storm to wake your great stone dragon, my lady." He was determined to say the boy's name as often as he could.
"Only death can pay for life, my lord. A great gift requires a great sacrifice."
"Where is the greatness in a baseborn child?"
"He has kings' blood in his veins. You have seen what even a little of that blood could do -"
"I saw you burn some leeches."
"And two false kings are dead."
"Robb Stark was murdered by Lord Walder of the Crossing, and we have heard that Balon Greyjoy fell from a bridge. Who did your leeches kill?"
"Do you doubt the power of R'hllor?"
No. Davos remembered too well the living shadow that had squirmed from out her womb that night beneath Storm's End, its black hands pressing at her thighs. I must go carefully here, or some shadow may come seeking me as well. "Even an onion smuggler knows two onions from three. You are short a king, my lady."
Stannis gave a snort of laughter."He has you there, my lady. Two is not three."
"To be sure, Your Grace. One king might die by chance, even two... but three? If Joffrey should die in the midst of all his power, surrounded by his armies and his Kingsguard, would not that show the power of the Lord at work?"
"It might."The king spoke as if he grudged each word.
"Or not." Davos did his best to hide his fear.
"Joffrey shall die," Queen Selyse declared, serene in her confidence.
"It may be that he is dead already," Ser Axell added.
Stannis looked at them with annoyance."Are you trained crows, to croak at me in turns? Enough."
"Husband, hear me -" the queen entreated.
"Why? Two is not three. Kings can count as well as smugglers. You may go."Stannis turned his back on them.


hard not to just copy/paste the entire chapters, cus Davo's chapters are some of my favorites, and I love the stannis/davos camaraderie, which is completely absent from the TV show. It's hard to imagine why Davo's is loyal at all to the Show Stannis.
 

Tuco

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Axell Florent_sl said:
Ser Axell went to one knee. "On bended knee I beg you, sire. Wake the stone dragon and let the traitors tremble. Like Aegon you begin as Lord of Dragonstone. Like Aegon you shall conquer. Let the false and the fickle feel your flames."
And this is the guy they burnt in the show for being a heretic =\