GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

Tuco_sl said:

And this is the guy they burnt in the show for being a heretic =\

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Just load up Mount and Blade, it's going to be okay.

Unfortunately due to the truncated nature of the show, Davos is one of those characters that are probably never going to be shown like he was in the books. It'll be nice if the show has the White Harbor scenes when Davos is pleading with Lord Manderly for his support.

White Harbor and Lord Manderly are pretty critical to the resolution of the northern parts of the books anyway. They'd have to cast for Manderly and shoot scenes in White Harbor for a bunch of reasons so they may as well introduce it with Davos' scenes. Rickon is supposed to be up there. We learn about Ned's Wylla up there.

Most importantly there is virtually NO WAY the show runners aren't going to portray FREY PIES on TV. It's one of the best OMFG moments in the last 2 books. They've prolly got a countdown to Frey Pies Time in the writing staff room somewhere.

Needless_sl said:

I don't think HBO can afford to pay for all that, for one character.

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+1 internet

Wrathcaster_sl said:

He's the one who really uncovered the incest thing and even gave all the credit to Ned Stark

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Maybe I'm not remembering the books accurately, but I was under the impression that he was just riding shotgun with Jon Arryn on a few of his fact finding missions and that Arryn was killed before he openly shared what he inwardly suspected about Robert's supposed offspring. Ned simply retraced some of Jon Arryn's steps in the process of piecing it all together.

Wrathcaster_sl said:

I mean, pretty much all of Westeros thinks he's an irredeemable trainwreck in the books. It seems like in the show he should be the same way, even if it is for different reasons. I understand, however, what you mean. I hate many of the things that they've done to him in the show. The essence of the character, though, I feel is upheld. As Loras said in S1, he has the personality of a Lobster, and as Renly said in S2 "no one wants you to be their King." This is the Stannis of the show, and the cartoon version of the Stannis in the books. I feel like the spirit of the character is largely upheld. He's uninspiring, most of the bookreaders and non-bookreaders despise him for various reasons. He's wildly unpopular no matter how you cut it, and that's Stannis in a nutshell.

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Pretty much agreed. The apparent disconnect between the show and book versions of the character are there to convey the essence of the man in shorthand form for the viewers, and that's necessary when dealing with the time constraints of a show with as many story lines running concurrently as GoT.

Though I'm not sure that Stannis would be wildly popular with the people at large were he to ever become King, as some here have suggested. Just as Renly said, no one wants him for their king. People get all moist in the pants for unbending justice when they imagine it being meted out against all of those "other people" who so richly deserve it. No one wants to find themselves in the crosshairs of that same sort of judgement when it's their turn on the scales. Stannis's notion wrong meriting comeuppance drills down to a level most aren't able to comprehend.

It's a shame Donal Noye never showed up in the show. Him bringing down the tunnel on that giant was so badass in the books.

Episode was great though, Sam killed it.

Needless_sl said:

I don't think HBO can afford to pay for all that, for one character.

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Why not? They had one scene in Moat Cailin and it even got a sequence in the opening credits.

Needless_sl said:

I don't think HBO can afford to pay for all that, for one character.

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One character? Lord Too-Fat-To-Ride is more like three characters amirite?

Scyfi_sl said:

They have worgs with Eagles!! I don't care how well Jon lied when you have a fucking bird you can control... it was a huge plot hole. Mance could have had several hundred scale the wall about 2-3 miles to the east and west and just run along the top of the wall and fuck shit up.

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The wall is magic and Worgs cannot get animals over it. That owl could land there but not pass. Also, the army Mance has with him includes women, children, and old men. And even most men cannot assuredly climb the wall. He needs a gate to get his people through. There are two other towers with gates, but one borders the Narrow Sea where the Watch has ships that can run down people and the other is at the end of a deep crevasse which would present it's own problems for getting across.

I would say it would be hilarious to have GRRM play that part himself, but it would distract him from writing the goddamn books.

Bets on whether they get a new guy to play Illyrio or reuse the same guy?

It's probably already asking too much of the audience to remember a character last seen in season 1 so their only hope is to use a flashback from the premiere to remind them who Illyrio was anyway. If they can't get roger allam they're better off rewriting the intro of tyrion-in-essos altogether. Maybe they could cut out the whole river tour and have tyrion released among the golden company right away or something. They already ruled out penny (thx god).

I wouldn't shed any tears if they cut out the whole aegon/connington storyline entirely to be honest.

I seriously doubt this is an egregious book spoiler but, re the straw men / warg scouts:


As far as "why not boats" - it's a frozen wasteland and they are mostly savages. They aren't building warships, and the watch does have somewhat of a navy.

Bear in mind that if the attack from the south had succeeded, they could have just walked right through the front gate with minimal losses. Jon made it pretty clear...

As for "spread out and climb the wall all at once" - most of the 100,000 aren't fighters or capable of the climb. They also think there are more crows than there are. It would work eventually, but one archer could kill dozens of climbers. And remember what happened during Jon's climb of the wall? It's not exactly stable. Does Mance want his people slaughtered? What did he tell Jon about his motives?

Tuco_sl said:

Why wouldn't they use Roger Allam?

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Maybe he's busy, who knows?

Another reason "why not boats":

URL in spoiler. It's a map. From the books.

Eastwatch-by-the-Sea is a Crow fort placed at the edge of the wall. Yeah, it's not manned, but the wildlings don't know that.

To move their army, they would need sea going ships. In great numbers. That's beyond them.