GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

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Looks like everything happens in Episode 10. Winds of Winter starts next season.
 
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yeah the high sparrow mentioned the "Mother's Mercy" as the punishment that would befall whoever failed the trial of the seven or something. Don't remember if that was ever mentioned in the books.
 
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Mother's mercy is only mentioned in the books as shorthand for forgiveness. It isn't some type of punishment or torture.
 
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Sylas_sl said:
also minor nitpick, when the fuck did Sansa become this "fan favorite?" that she has magically started being described as in the all the radfem media articles since that scene 2 episodes ago? She's been pretty much universally hated by the majority of book readers and tv viewers regardless of beliefs or political affiliations. Hell even a year or so ago there was this 1 meager little feminist voice came out to defend sansa and the show, that it was acceptable for a show with such a wide range of female characters to have at least 1 "damsel in distress" stereotypical feminine presence, and she was basically devoured by the radfem fandom and called a "literal nazi" for defending sansa. They, along with everyone else, hated sansa until 2 weeks ago when it was convenient to not hate her.
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I think people don't like Sansa, they like the Starks and are tired of the Starks being fucked over. People also want to see retribution happen and hope that Sansa will deliver it.

It was sort of the same with show watchers and Robb. Everyone hoped that Robb would deliver vengeance for his father's death. Now he's even deader than his father and everyone is pining their hopes onto Sansa and Arya.

I also think Sansa is a sympathetic character for many people so even if they don't think she's going to ever be more than a pawn they want her to get some slack.
 
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I'll never understand the people who are sad there's no lady stoneheart. It gives us one "ok" scene where none of the top guys get their comeuppance via the rope, just some shitty random freys, and the segue to Brienne luring Jaime out. Either could be handled in random other ways without requiring the character, and the same exact plot points would/could still happen. I think it is just because it ended AFFC people give a shit about the character, because other than those two things I mentioned it doesn't have a lot of bearing on the storyline in the books thus far. Unless the idea that Thoros can only keep one undead person up and running at a time is some huge mechanic reveal that needs to be portrayed, UnCat is a total throwaway character. And even that mechanic could be explained with "I can only keep one... alive, so to speak" and you are done.

Mother's Mercy is literally just "mercy" and "don't kill me" wrapped up into one, really.

edit: Tocu knows what is up. Nobody cares about Sansa, they just want the Starks to stop getting shat upon. Which when Jon gets shanked (Not even sure that's an if for the show) will just be amplified.
 
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Rezz_sl said:
I'll never understand the people who are sad there's no lady stoneheart.

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edit: Tocu knows what is up. Nobody cares about Sansa, they just want the Starks to stop getting shat upon. Which when Jon gets shanked (Not even sure that's an if for the show) will just be amplified.
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Oh the ironing...
 
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Honestly, even reading the books I didn't think LSH was going to do anything major or stop the Starks from getting crapped on. Her parts were so minor that they barely registered, as the real people everyone weighed their hopes on were Arya and Jon. With Sansa just being a whiny window to other events happening. Wanting an incredibly minor character to step up and stop the Stark Oppression didn't carry much weight in the books, and carries less in the show. People want the Starks to prevail (books and show) but LSH has borderline nothing to do with that in the books, so she's a bad setup for anything happening in the show. Just a completely unnecessary character.

edit: especially with the Jaime redemption arc (that isn't going anywhere in the show, sadly) nobody really wants to read Brienne killing Jaime as vengeance for shit he clearly didn't do. LSH is like flailing impotent vengeance in the books.
 
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I agree with Rezz. LSH did shit in the books but be a nuisance and I only liked her because I thought she would give people I didn't like a what for.
 
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Give her time? She was barely introduced, and who knows exactly she'll amount to in Winds of Winter. Doesn't she have both Brienne and Jaime with her at the end of book 5?
 
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Honestly, even reading the books I didn't think LSH was going to do anything major or stop the Starks from getting crapped on. Her parts were so minor that they barely registered
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As opposed to Sansa and the trail of lord's corpses she's left in her wake as she wreaks terrible Stark vengeance on her enemies?

My point isn't that I thought LSH was going to kill all the Lannisters, Freys, and Boltons. It's that some people thought she just might get some Stark vengeance, the same reason you two give for people being in Sansa's corner applies right to her.
 
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Did they ever explicitly say that it was Petyr's plan to betray Ned the whole time? What I took away from it was that he was perfectly willing to work with Ned, until he realized that Ned's unbendable honor was setting him on a course directly for the wall or a headsman's block. At that point he betrayed Ned to save his own skin.

I mean slimy, yeah, but I don't think he had malicious intent. She's obsessed with the Lannisters and the northmen who betrayed Robb. The brotherhood without banners has already strung up some of the Freys, as well as the Bloody Mummers.
 
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That video was great until 7 minutes in where it's pretty clear there's no fucking way a recognizable Lord could pull off a lie that big with so many nobles around.

edit: Fuck these videos. Another nearly has me convinced Margaery is actually a Stark. I think there's so many red herrings you could probably do a convincing 9 hour video on why Hodor is actually Ned's older retarded brother.
 
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Grimmlokk_sl said:
As opposed to Sansa and the trail of lord's corpses she's left in her wake as she wreaks terrible Stark vengeance on her enemies?

My point isn't that I thought LSH was going to kill all the Lannisters, Freys, and Boltons. It's that some people thought she just might get some Stark vengeance, the same reason you two give for people being in Sansa's corner applies right to her.
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And I would totally agree. The issue being that there's no reason to implement a character that has such little impact (and has such little presence thus far in the books) vs. simply having an existing character get said absolutely minor vengeance. There's just no reason to include LSH in the show's narrative for two points of half-assed vengeance. Anything she could have done/would have done is easily added to other characters, and actually makes a bunch more sense within the show's story framework. Also, I don't buy into the Darth Sansa angle very much, as from reading the books she is still just a window onto greater things happening. Show Sansa has shown a tiny bit more backbone, but again she's just "there" at Winterfell while Theon does his gig and Stannis comes to town.
 
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