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Yeah his main benefit seemed to be that it leaves you with this super starchy water that you can use as a thickener. That idea doesn't really appeal to me. Even if I had room to keep starch water in the freezer to thicken sauces on demand with, I can't imagine I would use it that often.

Bit after hearing him say that, I did start putting my pasta in cold water because why the fuck not, it is quicker so I guess you might as well.
 

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If it's a good recipe then by all means use it. All I'm saying is that learning how to cook is different than learning how to follow a recipe and if you learn how to cook you will be able to tell a good recipe from a bad one and how to make a decent recipe into a good one or adjust it to fit the stuff you have in the house rather than having to go to the supermarket for the exact ingredients.
But everyone starts out following recipes to the letter, that is how you learn techniques and what works and what doesn't work. As you progress you add/subtract things as needed, but everyone needs recipes. Even Alton and Ina and Bobby Flay use recipes, it isn't like learning how to cook means never looking at a recipe again. I look at a hell of a lot more recipes now than I did when I was learning how to cook because I know more and have a lot more ideas when it comes to cooking.

Rachael Ray and yes, even Sandra Lee have their place. I know we're all supposed to idolize Anthony Bourdain and look down our noses at them or whatever, but that's just bullshit. Some people have no desire to progress beyond that level of cooking. And there's nothing wrong with that, Rachael Ray is using fresh ingredients and cooking healthy meals that can feed a family and encourage them to experiment. So what if they don't want to take it to the next level?
 

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Yeah his main benefit seemed to be that it leaves you with this super starchy water that you can use as a thickener. That idea doesn't really appeal to me. Even if I had room to keep starch water in the freezer to thicken sauces on demand with, I can't imagine I would use it that often.

Bit after hearing him say that, I did start putting my pasta in cold water because why the fuck not, it is quicker so I guess you might as well.
I think the main thing is that it's faster and you don't have to get out a big pot. Just cause I didn't have a plan for dinner I made some marinara sauce and cooked some penne after that last post using the cold water method and it turned out great and took half as long as the standard method.

The idea with the starchy water is that you would put some into your sauce that is already cooking away when you finish the pasta if you want to thicken it a bit. I doubt anyone would save it when you could always just use flour or corn starch if you need to thicken something when you're not cooking pasta.
 

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If it's a good recipe then by all means use it. All I'm saying is that learning how to cook is different than learning how to follow a recipe and if you learn how to cook you will be able to tell a good recipe from a bad one and how to make a decent recipe into a good one or adjust it to fit the stuff you have in the house rather than having to go to the supermarket for the exact ingredients. If I'm cooking an Alton Brown recipe I will generally follow it pretty much to the letter because I know that he won't throw a bullshit recipe out there. If I'm looking at random ones on cooks.com because I googled something, it's good to know how to cook so you can evaluate a bunch of different recipes and pick a good one or come up with something on your own using different people's ideas. It's also good to just take an ingredient, look at what you have in the fridge to put with it, and try something out sometimes. It's not rocket science, and I have several things I make that I never read a recipe for but they came out good enough to stay in the rotation and people are impressed when I make them because they haven't had it before.'

This is if you want to be a good cook and not just get some shit on the table.

I think Deathwing has too much angst over Rachel, but she will put making things easy and low calorie ahead of making them good in her recipes and cut corners wherever she can. After all, the name of her show is "30 Minute Meals", and not "Good Eats". Also, ground chicken breast is not the path to deliciousness.
Well no shit. And you're right, the attitude I got over a goddamn Rachel Ray recipe and then people saying stupid shit like "recipes are for noobs", ridiculous! So much tail wagging in this thread. I think we should start a war. How dare you use a non stick pan! What do you mean you didn't blanch the vegetables before grilling them?!
 

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Speaking of pasta, Alton Brown now claims on his podcast that he doesn't do the thing where you boil a big ass pot of water and then add your pasta to it anymore. Somebody called in to the podcast and asked if he would change anything about the old show and he said that in the pasta episode he always said to start making pasta by boiling at least a gallon of water but nowadays he just covers the pasta with cold water and brings it to a boil and then simmers it for 7 minutes. It's faster and according to him comes out better. I haven't tried it and it sounds like blasphemy to me, but the dude knows what he's talking about.
The heck you say?!?

Now I have to try it.

And on the topic of recipes - So tonight, for example, I cooked a chicken curry. I know how to, but I looked at about 5 or 6 recipes from cooks I like, and I actually changed my plan a bit because of what I read. I didn't follow a recipe, but several recipes had an impact on what I did. Recipe gazing is a great way to refine skills.

By the way, it was bloody delicious.
 

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And on the topic of recipes - So tonight, for example, I cooked a chicken curry. I know how to, but I looked at about 5 or 6 recipes from cooks I like, and I actually changed my plan a bit because of what I read. I didn't follow a recipe, but several recipes had an impact on what I did. Recipe gazing is a great way to refine skills.
This is primarily the way I cook something new. I read a number of related recipes, pick out the 'good' from each, and start cooking. I rarely write anything down though, and that has come to bite me in the ass when the wife requests a previous dish that I can't remember what the fuck I put in it.
 

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This is primarily the way I cook something new. I read a number of related recipes, pick out the 'good' from each, and start cooking. I rarely write anything down though, and that has come to bite me in the ass when the wife requests a previous dish that I can't remember what the fuck I put in it.
Yeah, same problem here. Though I'm pretty good at approximating what I've made before because technique.
 

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It's weird, 'cause I remember precisely how I sous-vide the mexican lasagna last time I made it.
 

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Ended up making this tonight:Bourbon Chicken Recipe - Food.com - 45809

Shit is amazing, tastes just like a really good chinese takeout
It sounds good, but I am confused by the name since there is no bourbon in it and I can't say I've ever seen "bourbon chicken" on a Chinese takeout menu. I doubt that bourbon would improve it, I really don't think it would, but what's with the name?
 

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No idea. They sell bourbon chicken at all the chain chinese places here but I never put much thought into the ingredients.
 

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Well no shit. And you're right, the attitude I got over a goddamn Rachel Ray recipe and then people saying stupid shit like "recipes are for noobs", ridiculous! So much tail wagging in this thread. I think we should start a war. How dare you use a non stick pan! What do you mean you didn't blanch the vegetables before grilling them?!
Who said recipes are for noobs? HER recipes are for noobs, and I honestly thought most of this forum was beyond that. If not, fair enough.

I'm actually curious about the non-stick pan comment. Do people still believe those release toxic fumes at high temps? Does it actually do that? Received an email from my dad that was full of information like "hot pan cold oil". Took my time debunking or responding to each item, never heard back from them. Insulting.
 

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'Hot pan cold oil, foods won't stick' - I remember that from the Frugal Gourmet. I loved his show, but I think it turned out he was accused of being a kiddie diddler. I never really heard how that turned out, but he died shortly afterward.

As far as the validity of the statement? I think it's not entirely correct.
 

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I thought it was proven that they do but the temp is like 550+
Right, and I think your pan starts giving off visible smoke before that, which I've done a few times on electric ranges due to lag time. I hope no one is purposefully keeping a non-stick at 550+, that's grill or wok range only.


Or a salamander.
 

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We have an electric stove.
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Nervous About Nonstick?

Nervous About Nonstick?

WebMD Feature from "Good Housekeeping" Magazine
By Amanda Schaffer

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Easy to clean and incredibly popular, this cookware is still considered potentially toxic by some experts. Good Housekeeping settles the debate and tells you how to use it safely.

How much do women love nonstick? The sales figures tell the story: In 2006, pots and pans with this special coating (Teflon is the best-known version) constituted 90 percent of all aluminum cookware sold, according to industry numbers. Yet despite nonstick's advantages (its surface makes cleanup easy and also allows cooks to use less oil and butter), it has come under fire in recent years over concerns about toxic chemical emissions. Dozens of reports and studies - from both industry and outside sources - have turned up conflicting conclusions. So we talked to numerous experts and looked at the major studies - and also conducted our own lab tests at the Good Housekeeping Research Institute - to find out: Just how safe are nonstick pots and pans?

The answer is a qualified one. They're safe, says Robert L. Wolke, Ph.D., a professor emeritus of chemistry at the University of Pittsburgh and the author of What Einstein Told His Cook: Kitchen Science Explained, as long as they're not overheated. When they are, the coating may begin to break down (at the molecular level, so you wouldn't necessarily see it), and toxic particles and gases, some of them carcinogenic, can be released.

"There's a whole chemistry set of compounds that will come off when Teflon is heated high enough to decompose," says Wolke. "Many of these are fluorine-containing compounds, which as a class are generally toxic." But fluoropolymers, the chemicals from which these toxic compounds come, are a big part of the coating formula - and the very reason that foods don't stick to nonstick.


If the danger begins when pans overheat, then how hot is too hot? "At temperatures above 500 degrees Fahrenheit, the breakdown begins and smaller chemical fragments are released," explains Kurunthachalam Kannan, Ph.D., an environmental toxicologist at the New York State Department of Health's Wadsworth Center. DuPont, inventor and manufacturer of Teflon, agrees that 500 degrees is the recommended maximum for cooking.

Sticking Point

How fast will a nonstick pan reach 500 degrees Fahrenheit, the point at which its coating can start to decompose? The Good Housekeeping Research Institute put three pieces of nonstick cookware to the test: a cheap, lightweight pan (weighing just 1 lb., 3 oz.); a midweight pan (2 lbs., 1 oz.); and a high-end, heavier pan (2 lbs., 9 oz.). We cooked five dishes at different temperatures on a burner that's typical in most homes. The results: Even we were surprised by how quickly some of the pans got way too hot.

At very high temperatures - 660 degrees Fahrenheit and above - pans may more significantly decompose, emitting fumes strong enough to cause polymer-fume fever, a temporary flulike condition marked by chills, headache, and fever. (The fumes won't kill you - but they can kill pet birds, whose respiratory systems are more fragile.) At 680 degrees Fahrenheit, Teflon releases at least six toxic gases, including two carcinogens, according to a study by the Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit watchdog organization. "However, even if those gases are formed, the odds that you're going to breathe enough of them to be sick are low," says Wolke, a point corroborated by several of the experts we interviewed. What no one has yet researched is whether overheating these pans regularly for a prolonged period might have long-term effects.

I like non-stick for cooking eggs. If you're going to get it super hot to sear something you're better off using a cast iron pan anyway, or a carbon steel wok. Someone gave me a non-stick wok once which seemed like a bad idea. I burned the fucker up steaming some sweet potatoes when I didn't put enough water in it. It also turned my bamboo steamer black and caused a shitload of smoke.

tl:dr I'm probably going to die of cancer.
 

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Little known fact: Sous-vide causes twice as much cancer as atomized teflon.