Gun control

How can a shooting happen in Texas? I thought if everyone had guns that shootings weren't supposed to happen?

Sir Funk_sl said:

How can a shooting happen in Texas? I thought if everyone had guns that shootings weren't supposed to happen?

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Law abiding citizens can't carry on campus.

Araysar_sl said:

You needed a study to tell you this?

The autobahn still has a smaller fatality rate than US highways. You know why? Because speed limits increase the accident rate dramatically and an accident at 65 mph is just as likely to be fatal as a 90 mph accident. But the kicker is that autobahn has a much more smaller accident rate overall because of a lack of speed limits so their overall fatality rates (not just total fatalities but the fatality rates) are lower.

Its the same reason why red light cameras which claim to reduce accidents actually increase accidents as people slam on the brakes at yellows to avoid a $100 ticket by going through a yellow/red thereby significantly increasing the number of rear endings. But a red light cameras has nothing to do with safety and everything with generating revenue for the city.

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The fee/process to get a drivers license in Germany is far more expensive and in depth in than the US. It costs thousands of dollars I believe and basically a super driver's ED class I believe. In the US, it takes like 30-40 bucks, a simple written test, and maybr 10 min in a car with an evaluator. They also have much stricter driving laws. No food, drink, etc. Basically if you're the driver, the law expects you to be driving.

Legally, a yellow light is essentially a stop light. Most cops won't bother enforcing it, but the expectation is that you will stop unless it's pretty impossible to do as such. But light cameras, while they do serve as money markers to a degree, do serve their primary role: stop people running lights (or make it less likely).

Cybsled_sl said:

The fee/process to get a drivers license in Germany is far more expensive and in depth in than the US. It costs thousands of dollars I believe and basically a super driver's ED class I believe. In the US, it takes like 30-40 bucks, a simple written test, and maybr 10 min in a car with an evaluator. They also have much stricter driving laws. No food, drink, etc. Basically if you're the driver, the law expects you to be driving.

Legally, a yellow light is essentially a stop light. Most cops won't bother enforcing it, but the expectation is that you will stop unless it's pretty impossible to do as such. But light cameras, while they do serve as money markers to a degree, do serve their primary role: stop people running lights (or make it less likely).

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Generally agree with this. Comparing the autobahn to the U.S. highway system in any attempt to prove correlation between highway speed limit and accidents is a bad, bad idea. For one thing, as cybsled already stated, driving is taken much more seriously there. When the Germans started designing cars for the U.S. market, they were dumbfounded by the idea of the cup holder, because they couldn't imagine why someone would want to divide their attention on anything but driving while they drive. And secondly, the autobahn is much better designed than our highway system. For example, because there is no speed limit, there is a limit placed on the change of elevation allowed on the road as too much would greatly increase the likelyhood of accidents at high-speeds. The same meticulous design and car culture isn't present in the U.S.

aychamo_aycono_sl said:

It happened in a gun free zone, you fucking retard. This is another failure of our ability to manage people with mental health.

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I know you love throwing your patented insults around, but lets wait to get some facts before you shoot your mouth, kay ?

aychamo_aycono_sl said:

It happened in a gun free zone, you fucking retard. This is another failure of our ability to manage people with mental health.

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No armed guards on that campus?

Simas_sl said:

No armed guards on that campus?

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Probably not. Lone Star is a Community College with campuses all around the greater Houston area. Some friends that went there I spoke with said without knowing anything else that they figure it was probably drug related.

fanaskin_sl said:

It would never make national news if there where people there to stop it, because it doesn't fit the narrative that is trying to be impressed on the public.

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Are you saying that there is a conspiracy between gun control advocates, the white house, and the media to create and reinforce a national narrative about gun violence?

Reports are both parties were armed and engaged in mutual self-defense, making it a NRA-approved Gentleman's Duel between one Bad Guy and one Responsible Gun Owner. However, two bystanders were also injured by the crossfire, so apparently one or both of the shooters did not take the 30 minute gun safety course that would prevent such mishaps. Also, if the bystanders had been armed, maybe they would not have been struck by the errant bullets due to the protective shielding that carrying a gun provides, or maybe they could have used their own weapons to shoot the Bad Guy (identified by the red name floating over his head)

The rhetoric from every side is so fucking retarded. No, limiting assault weapons and magazine sizes won't make a difference worth the effort. No, giving a weapon to everyone over the age of 5 to carry at all times is not a good idea because Bad Guys don't have red names over their heads and you'll wind up with people shooting everyone holding a gun. Great fucking plan - if everyone has a gun, how the fuck are you supposed to know who the criminal is? But no, you can't take guns away from everyone because that's an impossible pipe dream in this country so there's no point arguing for or against it.

So in the end all you can do is enjoy the stupid shit people say to support their idea of a solution. I especially like "well we just need to make people be excellent to one another." Sure, as soon as the Wyld Stallions show up we'll all get along and guns will be totally safe.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...90L0XQ20130123

Two people "of interest" in the Lone Star College shooting were detained for questioning, including one with a student identification, according to authorities. "We are questioning them now," Harris County Sheriff's Office Captain W.K. Melacon told a press conference at the scene.

Authorities said the two people involved in the argument were in hospital. A maintenance worker who had been standing nearby was shot in the leg, and a woman with a student ID was taken to a hospital with a medical issue that was not a gunshot wound, they said.

An ambulance dispatcher said his company had transported three people to local hospitals. One of them was in critical condition and the other two were in "urgent" condition, he said.

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splorge_sl said:

Ok, so you selectively choose a single type of firearm, and compare it to an ambiguous impossible to regulate category called blunt objects, in a lame attempt to paint it a non issue.

Or are you suggesting that its easier to commit murder with a blunt object than a firearm? Because all those mass murders with blunt objects are evidence enough...oh yeah, and since more people died from "hands and feet" than from "rifles" we should worry about regulating those dangerous hands and feet. And while we are doing that, we will just conveniently ignore that 6220 deaths by handguns figure and 1500 deaths by unstated firearm.

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I'm suggesting that your efficiency argument is bullocks precisely because rifles, as one example, is a non issue because so few die by them. You think the government couldn't regulate blunt objects? On what grounds? Because you think the term is ambiguous? What the hell isn't ambiguous about the term "assault weapon"? Give me a break.

Let me give you two numbers, 440,000 and 360. These numbers represent number of deaths. I'm not going to tell you the cause. I want you to tell us which one of these numbers you believe is a problem. I also want you to tell us which one you believe represents efficiency.

Sir Funk_sl said:

How can a shooting happen in Texas? I thought if everyone had guns that shootings weren't supposed to happen?

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Show my one person that has stated such, besides yourself.

splorge_sl said:

Ok, so you selectively choose a single type of firearm, and compare it to an ambiguous impossible to regulate category called blunt objects, in a lame attempt to paint it a non issue.

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The british are trying to control blunt objects...


Go to 3 minutes in.

khalid_sl said:

The british are trying to control blunt objects...


Go to 3 minutes in.

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LMAO! They arrested a guy because he posted a pic of himself on the internet holding a piece of lead pipe? They didn't even find the lead pipe in his home and arrested him anyway because they found the hat he was wearing in the pic? Is that some kind of fucking joke? I'm glad I don't live in the fucking UK I guess.

Big Derg_sl said:

Let me give you two numbers, 440,000 and 360. These numbers represent number of deaths. I'm not going to tell you the cause. I want you to tell us which one of these numbers you believe is a problem. I also want you to tell us which one you believe represents efficiency.

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volume != efficiency. Your statement is tantamount to saying "but lots of people die every day from heart attacks (or whatever) so we shouldn't talk about guns and focus on the real killers." here is a number for you: 50% of murders in the U.S. involve the use of a firearm.

splorge_sl said:

volume != efficiency. Your statement is tantamount to saying "but lots of people die every day from heart attacks (or whatever) so we shouldn't talk about guns and focus on the real killers." here is a number for you: 50% of murders in the U.S. involve the use of a firearm.

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I never stated volume did equal efficiency in this case, which is exactly my point. The large number represents the number of deaths per year caused by smoking. You gauge speed with efficiency. You dodged the questions because you see the futility of your efficiency argument.

Is your latest statistic supposed to impress me? UK almost had twice the rate in knife crime per capita than the US had in gun crime per capita in 2006. You're statistic doesn't prove anything other than 50% of murders in the US involve a firearm.