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Soysauceonrice_sl said:
In who's eyes, the law ? If that's the case, then no. People do have rights, and those rights include engaging in risky behaviors like smoking or eating a heart-attack hamburger.
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This right here so much. Right to own a gun, and the resultant possibility of harm or danger. Fucking self determination
 
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Zodiac_sl said:
Looks like only one of those security guards is tasked with that campus (as well as 3 other locations lol). Lone Star College (formerly North Harris Community College System) has like 8 campuses and apparently that location has gotten pretty bad in the past few years according to some friends I have down there.
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That link only shows the captains of each one of their branch offices. You can see that they do list a second in command for most of the branches, and the North Harris campus does have a sergeant listed in addition to the captain. While this doesn't tell us how many cops actually man the campus, and I doubt that it's only a captain + 1 sergeant per campus, it DOES tell you that there are cops there.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
those are true too, though Id argue cholesterol is neccasary, you need it to make all your hormones and sodium has been propagandized, you NEED alot of sodium to balance electrolytes, instead they tell you to cut sodium and overload on electrolytes, it's literally making people sick and killing them.
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Oh dear. Aychamos head just exploded.
 
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Kreugen_sl said:
Clearly we should arm our military with cartons of PallMalls.

Sigh, point was, no one -purposfully- murders anyone with cigarettes. If you are discussing MURDER, which is implied by the topic being "Gun control", then deaths by cigarettes are completely beside the point.

Incidentally, the homicide rate in the US is at a 50 year low. But that doesn't mean we can't continue to discuss ideas and pass laws to help make that number lower.
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If you're siding with splorge then hopefully you've found out by now that his belief is ban = lower deaths. That's what we're arguing. Which is factually incorrect. Second, I've never once said all regulation is bad and that we shouldn't discuss it. Third, my tobacco example was to prove a point that efficiency isn't why we're discussing banning firearms, such as rifles, since it clearly isn't an issue due to the lack of deaths despite their "efficiency". He wants to throw numbers and stats around as proof of other conclusions he's jumped to. I'm simply showing the ere in that logic. You want to lower the murder rate? Great, as do I. So let's discuss meaningful legislation.
 
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splorge_sl said:
Impossible to prove conclusively either way.
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Great, so drop the ban argument and stop spinning your wheels.

splorge_sl said:
Yes, it does. There is a reason you don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Because guns kill more efficiently.
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No it doesn't. If I kill you using a knife vs a gun 1. You're still dead 2. I'm still dangerous. Let's take you're fantasy world and remove all guns. Guess what, you haven't removed a single criminal, good job. You've done nothing to stem the violence, you've only dropped the homicide by firearm tally while simultaneously increasing homicide by knives, explosives and blunt weapons.
 
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Big Derg_sl said:
If you're siding with splorge then hopefully you've found out by now that his belief is ban = lower deaths. That's what we're arguing. Which is factually incorrect.
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I said a ban = lowergundeaths. This is factually correct. It is also stated several times in this thread that with current data you cannot factually prove the effect of a ban on overall deaths. So if you believe a lack of a ban lowers murders, then you are factually incorrect.
 
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Big Derg_sl said:
Great, so drop the ban argument and stop spinning your wheels.



No it doesn't. If I kill you using a knife vs a gun 1. You're still dead 2. I'm still dangerous. Let's take you're fantasy world and remove all guns. Guess what, you haven't removed a single criminal, good job. You've done nothing to stem the violence, you've only dropped the homicide by firearm tally while simultaneously increasing homicide by knives, explosives and blunt weapons.
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lol what? You bring up the point that banning guns doesn't make you safer, I respond by saying that keeping guns doesn't make you safer (to illustrate that its a debate), and you see this as cause to dismiss gun legislation? right, good logic there.

And its bullshit to suggest that there is a one to one ratio of substitute murders when a gun murder is reduced, in an environment where overall murders and crime are declining year on year. Good luck proving that. If you are going to accuse me of using stats to state my case, don't then respond with conjecture you are making up as you go.

The rate of knife deaths per 100 reported attacks is less than 20% the rate of deaths of reported gun attacks. So when the incidence of gun attacks and knife attacks are compared, you could infer that if knives were substituted for guns, there would be less homicide overall.
 
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khalid_sl said:
The british are trying to control blunt objects...


Go to 3 minutes in.
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Wow, glad I don't live in the UK... What is next for them, "....a 5 year old was playing with a nerf baseball bat and gets arrested because he put his picture on the internet?"

I love the host's quote at the end... "Let us know how you think we can stop young people thinking that brandishing knives on the internet is cool...."
 
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We sit here a go back and forth over the issue of guns, yet most of the murder's are commited because of gang violence....

Selective quotes pulled from this article...http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenf...-gang-problem/

Chicago, where Obama delivered his victory speech, has homicide numbers that match all of Japan and are higher than Spain, Poland and pre-war Syria. If Chicago gets any worse, it will find itself passing the number of murders for the entire country of Canada.

Chicago's murder rate of 15.65 per 100,000 people looks nothing like the American 4.2 rate, the Midwestern 4.5 or the Illinois' 5.6 rates, but it does look like the murder rates in failed countries like Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe. To achieve Chicago's murder rate, African countries usually have to experience a bloody genocidal civil war or decades of tyranny.

But Chicago isn't even all that unique. Or the worst case scenario. That would be New Orleans which at an incredible 72.8 murder rate is ten times higher than the national average. If New Orleans were a country, it would have the 2nd highest murder rate in the world, beating out El Salvador.

St. Louis has a murder rate just a little lower than Belize. Baltimore has a worse murder rate than South Africa and Detroit has a worse murder rate than Colombia.

A breakdown of the Chicago killing fields shows that 83% of those murdered in Chicago last year had criminal records. In Philly, it's 75%. In Milwaukee it's 77% percent. In New Orleans, it's 64%. In Baltimore, it's 91%. Many were felons who had served time. And as many as 80% of the homicides were gang related.

Chicago's problem isn't guns; it's gangs. Gun control efforts in Chicago or any other major city are doomed because gangs represent organized crime networks which stretch down to Mexico, and trying to cut off their gun supply will be as effective as trying to cut off their drug supply.

America's murder rate isn't the work of the suburban and rural homeowners who shop for guns at sporting goods stores and at gun shows, and whom news shows profile after every shooting, but by the gangs embedded in the urban areas controlled by the Democratic machine. The gangs who drive up America's murder rate look nothing like the occasional mentally ill suburban white kid who goes off his medication and decides to shoot up a school. Lanza, like most serial killers, is a media aberration, not the norm.

Our national murder rate is not some incomprehensible mystery that can only be attributed to the inanimate tools, the steel, brass and wood that do the work. It is largely the work of adult males from age 18 to 39 with criminal records killing other males of that same age and criminal past.

There is a war going on in America between gangs of young men who bear an uncanny resemblance to their counterparts in Sierra Leone or El Salvador. They live like them, they fight for control of the streets like them and they kill like them.

America's horrific murder rate is a result of the transformation of major American cities into Sierra Leone, Somalia, Rwanda and El Salvador. Our murder rate now largely consists of criminals killing criminals.

As David Kennedy, the head of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control, put it, "The majority of homicide victims have extensive criminal histories. This is simply the way that the world of criminal homicide works. It's a fact."

Obama's pretense that there needs to be a national conversation about rural American gun owners is a dishonest and cynical ploy that distracts attention from the real problem that he and politicians like him have sat on for generations.

We do not need to have a conversation about the NRA. We need to have a conversation about Chicago.
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Kinner_sl said:
Wow, glad I don't live in the UK... What is next for them, "....a 5 year old was playing with a nerf baseball bat and gets arrested because he put his picture on the internet?"

I love the host's quote at the end... "Let us know how you think we can stop young people thinking that brandishing knives on the internet is cool...."
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...crackdown.html

Not sure if this is satire tbh.

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Horror: This image shows a machete and a samurai sword as well as a metal baseball bat

Tactical Assault kitchen knifes

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Blades: The killer weapons were collected in a period of just four months
 
khalid

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So we see these news stories of the UK confiscating knives and bats and stuff. In the UK is this seen as normal or silly? I mean, what fucking good does it do to sieze shit like bats and kitchen knives, when you can just walk to your kitchen and get another? Or go to a sporting goods store and buy a bat? Or fucking walk outside and pick up a stick? I don't get it.
 
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It's about control.

it's just like TSA which is not about protecting the populace, We all know the TSA doesn't protect anyone it's about systematic degradation and humiliation. Spend 5-10 years with government officials fondling your wives and children in front of men and it dis-empowers them psychologically. the NAZI's employed the same tactics on the lead up to war, it gets a populace used to the idea of government can intrude where it wants to.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
It's about control.

it's just like TSA which is not about protecting the populace, We all know the TSA doesn't protect anyone it's about systematic degradation and humiliation. Spend 5-10 years with government officials fondling your wives and children in front of men and it dis empowers them psychologically. the NAZI's employed the same tactics on the lead up to war, it gets a populace used to the idea of government can intrude where it wants to.
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I agree with the principle, but I travel extensively and have never once (out of being around ~2-2500+ a year) witnessed a fondling. I've seen some bags get upended needlessly, but I'm leaning that most improper searches are hyped/rarer than people think.
 
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Oh I agree the backroom searches that most people dont see and are much rarer probably get more humiliating, but just the general prodding of the area's around your privates happened the 4 times I have traveled since the tsa came into place. Perhaps fondling was a bad word but they defiantly do an invasive type pat down.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
It's about control.
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I am not interested in why the government is doing it. I am interested in the public response in the UK to the seizure of kitchen knives, pipes and bats. Are they perfectly fine with it? I just can't even imagine something like that happening here, its just so against common sense.
 
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