opiate82
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Just so we are clear, you are okay with people having access to handguns but not AR-15s?
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don't be dense, we all know that the bayonet lug alone on an AR-15 means it will kill .3 more people per hour. Nevermind the fact that there's not actually a bayonette that will fit most of them. The black synthetic stock is good for .3 kills per hour over wood. Collapsible stocks give you another .2, and the pistol grip stock give you another 1.25. Add it all up and you can kill 2.05 more people per hour with a stock AR-15 versus a stock mini-14. It's science, you can't argue with science!
1. LOL. Tell that to the woman who emptied her .38 revolver into an intruder and he still walked away. The whole idea of overkill is dumb. it's either underpowered or just right. Are there levels of dead that I'm unaware of? Is it frowned upon if I manage to kill someone so dead that their ghost has a hole and dies too?
2. People do hunt with handguns all the time. Look up pretty much anything written by Elmer Keith. Show me an example of someone hunting with a spatula?
3. Bad example because we (the good guys) did have nukes too.
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Kreugen
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Eh, a congressman isn't exactly in my circle but yeah, I'd say its pretty crazy to campaign for a ban that won't even be supported fully by her own party.
Funny though, I thought they banned the M82 years ago when they (the gubment 'they', not TEH MEDIA 'they') raised such a stink about it in the press about how someone could use it to shoot the President from Alaska. I'm sure someone somewhere argued that they needed it to protect their home from varmits driving LAVs. I mean, if they couldn't get THAT thing banned, what prayer do they have of banning a pissant .233? Waste of everyone's time. Go push the universal registration act, that's about the only thing that had a chance from the start.
Funny though, I thought they banned the M82 years ago when they (the gubment 'they', not TEH MEDIA 'they') raised such a stink about it in the press about how someone could use it to shoot the President from Alaska. I'm sure someone somewhere argued that they needed it to protect their home from varmits driving LAVs. I mean, if they couldn't get THAT thing banned, what prayer do they have of banning a pissant .233? Waste of everyone's time. Go push the universal registration act, that's about the only thing that had a chance from the start.
Here's the thing. In real life, I see crazies on both sides. I mean, take this picture that scrolled up on my facebook newsfeed, for instance.
And when I see shit like this, I chuckle, roll my eyes, and move on. I can do this because I know the realities of politics and how our system of government works. This whole broohaha about banning assault riffles will-not-fucking-go-anywhere. But the assault riffle ban isn't the only thing Obama is asking for -- a lot of what was in the executive orders made a whole lot of sense, yet all I hear is the extreme overreaction of the pro-gun crowd in fixating on the one thing that will never turn into a reality anyways. I mean, I will gladly -- GLADLY concede that Feinstein and her ilk are extremist knee-jerkers. But some how I doubt the gun-nuts on this forum are willing to admit the same about themselves.
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That assumes that your liberty was ever in any real threat to begin with.
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His liberty might not be under any threat but that does not mean in 50 years his children's children wont be.
No, I don't like firearms at all; but my comfort level means little. I understand the NEED at this point in our culture to allow citizens to posses firearms of some type due to the availability of them for the unsavory types.
The point of the example flew over your head, apparently. Citizens never, and will never, had access to nuclear material. The biggest argument I've heard about gun control is that the bad guys have them, so we should too (or some variant there of). Hoohoo, extreme examples in a silly debate.Hoss_sl said:
Hardly ignorance given the ballistics. A larger firearm allows margin of error, and provides greater per-shot damage assuming a misplaced shot. A .38's entry and potential exit provide ample damage to the human body to stop it cold assuming you have a moderate degree of training with said firearm. Assuming you don't, what the fuck are you doing possessing a gun in the first place?Gavinrad_sl said:
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Don't let yourself be baited into this line of reasoning. The assault is happening now, not some hypothetical a half-century away.
The majority of the executive orders he passed are already laws on the books that are not implemented/enforced. Most well adjusted people are not opposed to them. And yes, there are some extremely retarded gun owners that go apeshit over any type of regulation at all. The type that Kruegen mentions are a bit nutty (not clinically) but they are law abiding citizens.Here's the thing. In real life, I see crazies on both sides. I mean, take this picture that scrolled up on my facebook newsfeed, for instance.
And when I see shit like this, I chuckle, roll my eyes, and move on. I can do this because I know the realities of politics and how our system of government works. This whole broohaha about banning assault riffles will-not-fucking-go-anywhere. But the assault riffle ban isn't the only thing Obama is asking for -- a lot of what was in the executive orders made a whole lot of sense, yet all I hear is the extreme overreaction of the pro-gun crowd in fixating on the one thing that will never turn into a reality anyways. I mean, I will gladly -- GLADLY concede that Feinstein and her ilk are extremist knee-jerkers. But some how I doubt the gun-nuts on this forum are willing to admit the same about themselves.
And to Anwyn, there has not been a drastic increase in the effectiveness of modern weapons since the 50's. it's not a problem with the tools, it's a problem with the people using them.
Fair enough point.
I just want to point out that despite the fact that Iamfor an AWB, I'm not advocating for one. I really do understand the need for weaponry, both in the military and in private life. I don't agree with it, but that doesn't mean I'm not supportive of those who own them and use them properly. Idobelieve that taking away the buying power of them now and working towards a reduced-presence of firearms in our society's future could be a good thing, but it's a utopian ideal and hardly practical given the progression of our world.
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I see most of those executive orders as benign and harmless to be honest but I still oppose them because gun regulation is a slippery slope. The assault on gun ownership is now and it makes less sense than ever. I might have been able to understand the outrage back in 1980s when Chicago tallied over 1,000 murders in a year but these days when we barely break 500 - its pretty idiotic. And we're not alone, but Chicago is the perfect microcosm for this "gun violence" bullshit debate.
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Anything over a .38 is overkill? 5 shots and the guy walked away. Good thing he was alone or we'd probably be reading about a woman and her children raped and murdered in their home. Situations like this are exactly why people need/want bigger magazines and more powerful weapons.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1234400
I apologize in advance for jumping in mid shit-flinging-debate, but the idea of "good guys" and "bad guys" is fucking so delusional.
I hope the two of you simply miss spoke- believing in this arbitrary "we were born here so we are good" idea is simply saddening and naive on so many levels.
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I don't think either GW Bush or Barack Obama wanted or want to turn themselves into a dictator and put anyone who resists them in concentration camps, but they are paving the way for that guy if he ever does show up. Taking apart the first, second, fourth, and who knows what other amendments in the name of safety or security is all well and good until we do get a bad guy in power. The founders didn't put those protections in the constitution so that THEY wouldn't turn into dictators, but so people 100 years down the line wouldn't. We didn't need the bill of rights to protect us from George Washington or John Adams or Thomas Jefferson, but they do need to be there.
Dunno where the 'we were born...' part came from, but I was merely making a broad generalization about the people who have guns and use them to commit crimes.
And when gun control doesn't curtail killings, we'll just medicate the populace placid! I got $10 that it's for the children too...
Handgun rounds in general are poor stoppers (minus the various magnum types, but most platforms for them are too large for SD roles). A .38 is on the extreme low end of acceptable SD rounds. See the FBI in the 86 Miami shoot out. And honestly, more effective stopping power is better for everyone. Less rounds down range means less chances for a stray round.
I read a really great paper by a trauma surgeon on wound characteristics and one shot stops of various calibers, I will try to find a link for it.
I read a really great paper by a trauma surgeon on wound characteristics and one shot stops of various calibers, I will try to find a link for it.