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Flunklesnarkin_sl

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There aren't a lot of people who give a shit about money financing political lobbyists regardless of what they are lobbying for.

The concept of big business financing their politics is just fine with America. Whenever somebody doesn't like the political message behind the lobby they bring up it's financing but most people take no issue with lobby's that push for issues they support.

The finance angle isn't really a compelling argument imo. People accept money in politics as a fact of life.
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl

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I'm not terribly surprised that you can't follow the line of reasoning. Hint: start with the fact that there are some reasonable gun owners who are willing to accept magazine size restrictions.
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If you think that not being willing to accept that means they're unreasonable, then you're dumb.
 
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I'm not even making that argument, although it's certainly an argument I'd make.

But anybody who is willing to even consider it has no voice in the NRA right now; the extremist position of absolutely no restrictions is the totality of the conversation.

You can continue believing that it's just because second amendment, but that makes you the dumb one, not me.

This thread is just a giant small penis (see what I did there) circlejerk anyway.
 
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Well Biden said assault rifles are too hard to operate and all you need is a double barrel shotgun. I guess this is your idea of a reasonable gun owner. I personally don't know of anyone in the industry with those views.
 
Araysar

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how much did we hear about the Lone Star College shooting in Houston a few days ago?

no one was even killed there, just 2 wounded (3 if you count that the gunman shot himself accidentally in the buttocks).

But for some reason banning knives is considered universally stupid, while banning a M82 Barrett, a $8000+ rifle, (or any gun for that matter) supposedly makes total sense.
 
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Ah, I see your point in that respect I guess. But I don't know why you're surprised, the media does this kind of thing. After the WV mine thing years back, we'd hear about every tiny mine accident that happened on the planet. After the Costa Concordia we'd hear about every time someone got a bit sea sick on a rocking cruise ship. So on and so forth. IMO it doesn't have anything to do with guns, other than the fact that news media are currently fixated on guns. In a few months it'll be something else.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
how much did we hear about the Lone Star College shooting in Houston a few days ago?

no one was even killed there, just 2 wounded (3 if you count that the gunman shot himself accidentally in the buttocks).

But for some reason banning knives is considered universally stupid, while banning a M82 Barrett, a $8000+ rifle, (or any gun for that matter) supposedly makes total sense.
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Really ? Because it was 1) guns instead of knives, and 2) in a school. The lonestar shooting was big news for 1 day. Once it became apparent it was just 2 idiots with guns and it wasn't some premeditated mass murder scheme, the media dropped the subject pretty quick. I don't see the issue here.
 
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Eomer_sl said:
Ah, I see your point in that respect I guess. But I don't know why you're surprised, the media does this kind of thing. After the WV mine thing years back, we'd hear about every tiny mine accident that happened on the planet. After the Costa Concordia we'd hear about every time someone got a bit sea sick on a rocking cruise ship. So on and so forth. IMO it doesn't have anything to do with guns, other than the fact that news media are currently fixated on guns. In a few months it'll be something else.
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I'm not surprised. Why would I be?

I'm just pointing out what a bullshit double standard it is.

2 teenagers get stabbed to death, no one hears about it outside of Orange County. Someonde discharges a gun on school campus, "OMG send the news chopper! lets ban guns!"
 
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Soysauceonrice_sl said:
Really ? Because it was 1) guns instead of knives,
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yeah thats exactly why it is so stupid. thats what im pointing out

and 2) in a school.
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mall shootings get plenty of coverage too. because its a "shooting".

http://abcnews.go.com/US/oregon-mall...ry?id=18051025

search for "oregon mall shooting" from last month and you'll get over 4 million hits.

The lonestar shooting was big news for 1 day. Once it became apparent it was just 2 idiots with guns and it wasn't some premeditated mass murder scheme, the media dropped the subject pretty quick. I don't see the issue here.
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big news for 1 day? search for "lone star college shooting" over FIFTY MILLION HITS. morons are still dribbling about it to this very hour.

"redondo mall stabbing"? 60,000 hits.
 
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Thorne_sl said:
Should have fixed his bayonette to his AR, then he could get on the national news!! GUNSTAB!!!

Im losing it, glad its friday!!
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Well played!

Imagine how much coverage a bayonet stabbing would get, even if it was attached to a non functioning replica gun? News networks would go apeshit.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
yeah thats exactly why it is so stupid. thats what im pointing out



mall shootings get plenty of coverage too. because its a "shooting".

http://abcnews.go.com/US/oregon-mall...ry?id=18051025

search for "oregon mall shooting" from last month and you'll get over 4 million hits.



big news for 1 day? search for "lone star college shooting" over FIFTY MILLION HITS. morons are still dribbling about it to this very hour.

"redondo mall stabbing"? 60,000 hits.
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I guess I don't understand why you're pointing out that guns get more coverage than knives. Considering the national conversation on guns isn't that a given ? Why so surprised ?

And yes, the lonestar shooting got widespread coverage for a day. If you want to google it, I'm sure you'll find plenty of people talking about it. But as far as the media is concerned, it's no longer big news. It's not on cnn, it's not on fox, it's no longer big news.
 
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No, banning knives is considered universally stupid because they perform basic and absolutely necessary functions in life, from cutting food to building just about anything. It's one of man's earliest inventions, and besides fire probably one of the primary reasons man isn't still sitting around a fire worshipping the star gods and flinging shit at each other. If you ban knives society can no longer function. The opportunity cost is easily apparent... In a hypothetical situation where knives are banned (and people don't use them), society has severe problems functioning but gains some lives due to no more knife murders. Hence it is entirely unrealistic and not even worth consideration.

Now, the same cannot be said about your M82 Barret.. It provides you entertainment, a hobby, a form of sport, and possibly a means to hunt. Civilian society can function just fine without an M82 Barret and its brethren. Therefore, the opportunity cost of what society gains and loses as the result of its banning or restriction is far more open to interpretation and debate.

DISCLAIMER: INB4 "stfu liberal/hippie/fucktard". I am making no comment whatsoever concerning whether I believe these guns or any guns should be restricted/banned/whatever/ I'm done with that. Just pointing out how incredibly retarded it is when people state "wtf well why don't we ban pencils, toothbrushes, knives, etc too!" as if it's some realistic counterpoint as to why their shouldn't potentially be some restrictions on gun ownership.


Araysar_sl said:
But for some reason banning knives is considered universally stupid, while banning a M82 Barrett, a $8000+ rifle, (or any gun for that matter) supposedly makes total sense.
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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
No, banning knives is considered universally stupid because they perform basic and absolutely necessary functions in life, from cutting food to building just about anything. It's one of man's earliest inventions, and besides fire probably one of the primary reasons man isn't still sitting around a fire worshipping the star gods and flinging shit at each other.If you ban knives society can no longer function.The opportunity cost is easily apparent... In a hypothetical situation where knives are banned (and people don't use them), society has severe problems functioning but gains some lives due to no more knife murders. Hence it is entirely unrealistic and not even worth consideration.

Now, the same cannot be said about your M82 Barret.. It provides you entertainment, a hobby, a form of sport, and possibly a means to hunt. Civilian society can function just fine without an M82 Barret and its brethren. Therefore, the opportunity cost of what society gains and loses as the result of its banning or restriction is far more open to interpretation and debate.

DISCLAIMER:INB4 "stfu liberal/hippie/fucktard". I am making no comment whatsoever concerning whether I believe these guns or any guns should be restricted/banned/whatever/ I'm done with that. Just pointing out how incredibly retarded it is when people state "wtf well why don't we ban pencils, toothbrushes, knives, etc too!" as if it's some realistic counterpoint as to why their should potentially be some restrictions on gun ownership.
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You are a definitely a fucktard if you think that society cannot function without knives.

For every single function you can do with a knife, i can think of a way to do it without a knife.

Now, the same cannot be said about your M82 Barret.. It provides you entertainment, a hobby, a form of sport, and possibly a means to hunt. Civilian society can function just fine without an M82 Barret and its brethren. Therefore, the opportunity cost of what society gains and loses as the result of its banning or restriction is far more open to interpretation and debate.
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How many civilians have been killed in America with a M82 Barrett and how many have been killed with a knife?

Want to run the "opportunity cost" numbers on THAT? The whole conversation is fucking retarded.

Morons like you make me ashamed at times to call myself a liberal.
 
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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
If you ban knives society can no longer function. The opportunity cost is easily apparent.
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Now, the same cannot be said about your M82 Barret.
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Therefore, the opportunity cost of what society gains and loses as the result of its banning or restriction is far more open to interpretation and debate.
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First of all, no one is talking about banning knives, but CONTROLLING knives has been done and is being done in britian, and its pretty silly.

Also, lol@ you mentioning the M82. Please point to a single instance of it being used in a crime. There is no benefit whatsoever to banning or controlling it. No one is going to use that shit for anything except for blowing up cinder blocks.
 
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Eomer_sl said:
Ah, I see your point in that respect I guess. But I don't know why you're surprised, the media does this kind of thing. After the WV mine thing years back, we'd hear about every tiny mine accident that happened on the planet. After the Costa Concordia we'd hear about every time someone got a bit sea sick on a rocking cruise ship. So on and so forth. IMO it doesn't have anything to do with guns, other than the fact that news media are currently fixated on guns. In a few months it'll be something else.
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Obviously. However, the media is directly influencing people to support the passing of anti-gun legislature. So while *we* all know the media is being insufferably fucking retarded (or pulling a Mikhail, as I like to say), unfortunately their bullshit will directly affect all of us for many years to come. These are consequences of their actions.
 
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