Gun control

Araysar_sl said:

I'm not surprised. Why would I be?

I'm just pointing out what a bullshit double standard it is.

2 teenagers get stabbed to death, no one hears about it outside of Orange County. Someonde discharges a gun on school campus, "OMG send the news chopper! lets ban guns!"

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By the way, you might try reading your own article.

Your article_sl said:

The children were severely injured in the attack. The boy was stabbed six times and the girl three times.

They were taken to Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, where each underwent surgery for several hours before being moved to the hospital's intensive care unit.

They have both been released from the hospital, Hoffman said.

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I mean, seriously are you that fucking obtuse? Society can function without some form of sharp cutting object? MUHAHAHAA! It truly is fucking mind boggling if you believe that.

And simpleton, nowhere was I making the point that knives inherently deserve any less or more to be banned vs guns based on number of deaths. My point is that they CAN'T be banned because they are essential human tools, hence the comparison is futile.

Morons like you make me ashamed to call myself a human

Araysar_sl said:

You are a definitely a fucktard if you think that society cannot function without knives.

For every single function you can do with a knife, i can think of a way to do it without a knife.




How many civilians have been killed in America with a M82 Barrett and how many have been killed with a knife?

Want to run the "opportunity cost" numbers on THAT?

Morons like you make me ashamed at times to call myself a liberal.

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aychamo_aycono_sl said:

Lets not forget the "mall shooting" that was one psychopath committing suicide. With a gun.

edit: sorry, I'm behind in this thread, I see you already brough tthis up

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That "shooting" was also confined to local news. It didn't make national headlines.

Araysar_sl said:

It was on 10 o'clock news in Chicago. Is that national enough for you?

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I was responding to the shooting that aychamo referenced, not yours.

Funny, I say that the assault/mag ban won't do anything and a gun ban will never happen, and yet I'm still declared a moron by aychamo. I guess if you don't gargle NRA cocks with every word you are a retard faggot raging liberal. Whatever, anonymous internet nerd.

I own two shotguns and a .22. But I mock gun nuts because I have a step dad who has guns hidden all throughout his house because he thinks the American Inventor moslem was sworn in on the koran and is going to come into his house and take his guns and declare himself King Hussien Obongo of Kenya-America. And I know quite a few more who say the same thing. Its not "I have a nice gun collection and I am afraid it may lose value" with these people. It's "I'm building survival bunker under my house for when that American Inventor starts the civil war"

So, yeah, my view may be _slightly_ skewed by living where I do and the people I know. It's hard not to mock the crazies when I know for a fact is not hyperbole.

Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

Morons like you make me ashamed to call myself a human

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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

Now, the same cannot be said about your M82 Barret.. It provides you entertainment, a hobby, a form of sport, andpossibly a means to hunt

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Morons who suggest a .50 caliber anti-materiel rifle could be used to hunt make me ashamed to call myself a human.

If you would bother to read the post I responded to, the only reason I used that particular gun as reference is because it was the one HE chose. To give HIM the benefit of the doubt, and possibly entertain/demonstrate EVERY potential use in a civilian capacity, yes I included hunting, even if it's an unlikely use. Though I'm sure there are some rednecks out there that do enjoy blowing away bambi with a 50 cal.

Try reading the whole thread instead of taking shit out of context.

Gavinrad_sl said:

Morons who suggest a .50 caliber anti-materiel rifle could be used to hunt make me ashamed to call myself a human.

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Kreugen_sl said:

But I mock gun nuts because I have a step dad who has guns hidden all throughout his house because he thinks the American Inventor moslem was sworn in on the koran and is going to come into his house and take his guns and declare himself King Hussien Obongo of 'merica.

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Thats funny, I have a stepdad who thinks the exact same thing! Wait, are you my brother??

Anyway, I think what might bother "pro-gun" people about your stance is when you say stuff like this...

Kreugen_sl said:

The rhetoric from every side is so fucking retarded. No, limiting assault weapons and magazine sizes won't make a difference worth the effort. No, giving a weapon to everyone over the age of 5 to carry at all times is not a good idea because Bad Guys don't have red names over their heads and you'll wind up with people shooting everyone holding a gun. Great fucking plan - if everyone has a gun, how the fuck are you supposed to know who the criminal is? But no, you can't take guns away from everyone because that's an impossible pipe dream in this country so there's no point arguing for or against it.

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The issue I have with that is you are basically saying "both sides are bad" but then completely misrepresent one side. You have people in power (Obama, Dianne feinstein, other anti-gun people) directly advocating an AWB and magazine capacity ban. However, the NRA has at no point in time said that it wanted everyone over 5 to have a gun. The NRA has only advocated that teachers should be given an option, if they go through some sort of proper training regime, to carry concealed.

The NRA is so obviously self-serving that to even consider them to be a "side" is ridiculous. Like, there's pro-gun ownership, and then there's pro-gun ownership level 9000, the NRA. There are so many degrees to the debate and yet both sides lump one another into the most extreme category possible. Want gun control? Well you are obviously a UltraLibTard that wants the government to come into everyone's home and take every gun, knife, or heavy blunt object away and won't be happy until everything is covered in nerf foam! And I already mentioned the survivalist crazies mirror to that - but I actually KNOW people on that extreme end of the spectrum. I know they exist and are not some fantasy dreamed up by the liberals/moderates. But this is why it is impossible to discuss anything at all because everyone immediately assumes the other side is some sort of crazed gun-grabber/hoarder that lives in a survival bunker/hippie commune.

And arming teachers is flat fucking retarded, yes. I should be able to say that without being called a fucking lib-tard by the NRA kool-aid drinkers. I can run down a mental checklist of teachers I had in my life and I can't think of very many that I would want to ever be near a gun, much less have one right there in the fucking classroom. Holy shit at my school we had one teacher kill herself and two that beat the piss out of one of their students and a whole parade of stressed out crazies that shouldn't even be allowed to hold a butter knife in the presence of children. A teacher with a gun is a fucking time bomb. Again though, it just falls into the self-serving NRA litany of "more guns"

But yeah, I don't address the lib-crazy because, well, I don't know actually know any. Not saying they don't exist, but attempting to ban 30 round magazines is a far cry from the exaggerated shit people are so afraid is going to happen.

Kreugen_sl said:

But yeah, I don't address the lib-crazy because, well, I don't know actually know any. Not saying they don't exist, but attempting to ban 30 round magazines is a far cry from the exaggerated shit people are so afraid is going to happen.

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So banning firearms for cosmetic features that have no effect on anything isn't crazy? If you have firearms, then Im sure you know that things like the mini-14 ranch rifle are every bit as deadly as a ar-15. You don't find the banning of one and not the other pants on head retarded?

Dianne Feinstein, the pusher of the current bill, directly advocates a complete firearms ban. She has openly said this is the best she can do now. How can you call the people retarded who fear that, but not consider her crazy for wanting it?


Your definition of who is extreme seems to be wildly biased against gun-rights advocates and then you try and shield it by saying "well, I own guns, so im a moderate". No, you really aren't.


Also, please tell me what schools you went to so I can make sure I never send any of my kids there. I have a radically different opinion of the average teacher than you and I went to public school.

khalid_sl said:

So banning firearms for cosmetic features that have no effect on anything isn't crazy? If you have firearms, then Im sure you know that things like the mini-14 ranch rifle are every bit as deadly as a ar-15. You don't find the banning of one and not the other pants on head retarded?

Dianne Feinstein, the pusher of the current bill, directly advocates a complete firearms ban. She has openly said this is the best she can do now. How can you call the people retarded who fear that, but not consider her crazy for wanting it?


Your definition of who is extreme seems to be wildly biased against gun-rights advocates and then you try and shield it by saying "well, I own guns, so im a moderate". No, you really aren't.


Also, please tell me what schools you went to so I can make sure I never send any of my kids there. I have a radically different opinion of the average teacher than you and I went to public school.

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You're preaching to the wrong crowd. No one here supports an awb.

Soysauceonrice_sl said:

You're preaching to the wrong crowd. No one here supports an awb.

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I think you are missing my point. That Kruegen is saying the pro-gun advocates are filled with crazies and he hasn't seen any crazy from the anti-gun crowd. The AWB seems by definition, at least in regards to the cosmetic features, completely worthless. That is crazy to me.

khalid_sl said:

I think you are missing my point. That Kruegen is saying the pro-gun advocates are filled with crazies and he hasn't seen any crazy from the anti-gun crowd. The AWB seems by definition, at least in regards to the cosmetic features, completely worthless. That is crazy to me.

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He says he doesnt personally KNOW any. Not sure why this is so important to you. You bring up Feinstein as an example of anti gun craziness yet i don't see anyone here either supporting her or defending her.

Soysauceonrice_sl said:

You're preaching to the wrong crowd. No one here supports an awb.

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I do, but not for any of the reasons that are popular in the media at the moment. I've always been against 'assault' weapons of any kind, regardless of why you claim to own them. It's stupid to put any sort of high-capacity power (and that's not high capacity clips, don't get confused) in the hands of the normal citizen. There's just no need for it. Every example people have given is moot when you consider for thousands of years we existed without. Now, understanding that we aren't cavemen anymore, guns SHOULD exist. I have never been able to understand why the homeowner would ever need anything more than a pump action or handgun (and really, anything over .38 is pretty overkill for human v. human, which is the whole point of owning a handgun. The argument could be made that you can hunt with it, but the same could be said for a fucking spatula.). I've always heard the argument that the bad guys have them, so why shouldn't I? Well, the 'bad guys' during the Cold War had nuclear arms, why didn't the citizens? (Woo, hyperbole.)

Soysauceonrice_sl said:

Not sure why this is so important to you.

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I am not sure why it is important to you. You are the one that jumped into a post directed at Kreugen.

As for why it is important to me, I am just really tired of people acting like the pro-gun people are filled with crazies and then act like the other side is asking for perfectly rational things that we should just agree with and move on.

Also, I find it extremely hard to believe that Kreugen hasn't had to deal with people that advocate a complete firearms ban. However, in case he doesn't believe that such a people exist, I made a mention of Dianne Feinstein. Which also makes the point that those of us worried about the slippery slope issue with this aren't completely crazy, since the very spokesperson for the AWB is someone that wants a complete ban.