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Oh Stuppin, you have failed so hard. This must be embarrassing even for such a troll like you.
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Tuco
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Wrong again Tuco. This is the point. Chris Kyle was a great man. The tragedy really shows why the gun debate is worthless.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/navy-seal-c...ry?id=18389238
It shows that having guns will not prevent gun violence (Fox News/NRA stance). It also shows that gun control will do nothing (Liberal stance). Lots of talk on gun control, etc. There is no right or wrong side to the debate because the debate is futile.
This thread can now be closed.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/navy-seal-c...ry?id=18389238
It shows that having guns will not prevent gun violence (Fox News/NRA stance). It also shows that gun control will do nothing (Liberal stance). Lots of talk on gun control, etc. There is no right or wrong side to the debate because the debate is futile.
This thread can now be closed.
It may be insensitive, but if you think no one has made this argument, then you really haven't been following this thread.
The guy that shot him was supposedly an ex marine with PTSD; seems like the mental health discussion is quite pertinent.Wrong again Tuco. This is the point. Chris Kyle was a great man. The tragedy really shows why the gun debate is worthless.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/navy-seal-c...ry?id=18389238
It shows that having guns will not prevent gun violence (Fox News/NRA stance). It also shows that gun control will do nothing (Liberal stance). Lots of talk on gun control, etc. There is no right or wrong side to the debate because the debate is futile.
This thread can now be closed.
Just shows that a Marine beats anyone else in a fight always, Navy Seal or not. JOKE
It is more indicative of PTSD not getting the care and attention it needs still.
B_Mizzle
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...02-01-17-31-12
Mass stabbing in Canada. Didn't someone in here say this kind of thing doesn't happen? Guess we're gonna need the Honorable Representative Feinstein to craft us kitchen knife regulation as well.
Mass stabbing in Canada. Didn't someone in here say this kind of thing doesn't happen? Guess we're gonna need the Honorable Representative Feinstein to craft us kitchen knife regulation as well.
We all know mass stabbings can happen. What usually doesn't happen is the fatalities that follow after the mass stabbing. A mass shooting can leave dozens dead. A mass stabbing ? rarely more than 1 or 2 dead. Your own article stated that all 7 victims survived.
hodj
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Pretty much. The guy shot them at point blank range and they were probably trying to talk him down, seeing as he was a fellow veteran with PTSD who they were trying to work with, their immediate reaction wouldn't have been to shoot him, but rather to try and develop an exchange with him. Its also possible he shot them while they were distracted, possibly setting up equipment or preparing to shoot down range, what have you. The full story isn't really out there yet from what I've seen, just early reports, so people should probably not overreact, but we can definitely say that mental illness is, yet again, the deeper culprit.
The report I read said he shot them in the back. Story like this is kind of depressing. Aside from the fact that he was a veteran that honorably served, he was apparently trying to help the shooter. He and his neighbor knew the guy, knew he had PTSD, and was trying to help him cope with the PTSD . . . by bringing him to the gun range. And so for whatever reason the guy snapped and killed the both of them.
hodj
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Shooting on a gun range can be cathartic, I imagine its probably at least one coping technique a lot of ex military use when they come back to the States to handle the transition. When you shoot, from my understanding, you focus, the world fades back and all that exists is onesself, and the target.
I can see what led them to thinking it was a good idea at the time. Its possible, I'm not ex military so I do not know, but its possible this is a regular thing ex military do to help with the transition. You have your buddies there, guys who are ex military and know sorta similar experiences. You have the guns, which for military people tends to be a mutual interest, and the shooting, which hearkens back to training/boot camp days. I dunno man. It doesn't seem that outrageous to me, people are wildly unpredictable.
I can see what led them to thinking it was a good idea at the time. Its possible, I'm not ex military so I do not know, but its possible this is a regular thing ex military do to help with the transition. You have your buddies there, guys who are ex military and know sorta similar experiences. You have the guns, which for military people tends to be a mutual interest, and the shooting, which hearkens back to training/boot camp days. I dunno man. It doesn't seem that outrageous to me, people are wildly unpredictable.
General Antony
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Why do we continue to let these weak, soft cravens who can't handle "stress" into our armed forces?
A MacArthur would be utterly disgusted with these men.
A MacArthur would be utterly disgusted with these men.
B_Mizzle
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I've always kinda wondered about this. What is the difference between a service member now who goes to Iraq for 10 months and gets PTSD, comes home and kills his whole family, to a service member who went to Omaha beach and watched 5000 men die in a day, came home and had a "normal" life? Not sure if psychiatric disorders/murders were way under reported, or maybe its just the nature of the conflict. In WW2 there were set lines, guys in grey uniforms, shoot at them, everyone else is friendly. Compared to now where every single person they see including allied armed forces are potential/probable threats, so the stress level is much higher.
The difference is the mothers of America and the entitled children that join the military from this generation. It's the people like on this forum complaining about how you are a shitty person if you don't tip 30% to your waiter because he has such a rough life taking food from one spot to another.
This is pretty good vindication of my post, actually.
To clear it up for you tards, though: yes, the law as currently written allows this. That doesn't mean it's right, or that the law shouldn't be changed. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can clearly tell that these trusts go against the intent of the NFA, if not the letter of the law as written, and make it much easier to obtain restricted weapons and items than it should be.
Since my thoughts and opinions have been stated many times in this thread, I'm just going to respond with facts and info.
NFA Trusts do not violate or circumvent any laws. They were created as more of a covienience than anything. The whole point of chief LEO signature is to put a paper trail on NFA equipment. A trust does the exact same thing without having to rely on someone else's schedule. Current wait time for a NFA stamp is over a year, trust or not.
NFA Trusts do not violate or circumvent any laws. They were created as more of a covienience than anything. The whole point of chief LEO signature is to put a paper trail on NFA equipment. A trust does the exact same thing without having to rely on someone else's schedule. Current wait time for a NFA stamp is over a year, trust or not.
chaos
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The difference is we haven't yet crafted a series of American folk tales deifying modern veterans and white-washing any negative details out of the history. The guys coming back from WW2 were just as fucked up if not more.
And part of it has to be something to do with the environment they come back to. It probably sucks when war becomes your reality and you come back home to find that life went on without you as normal, either no one gives a shit about your "sacrifice" or they call you a baby killer or they slapped a magnetic sticker on their car and shared a facebook post so they "support the troops."
Kreugen
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BAHAHAH You have GOT to be fucking kidding me. Holy fuck its only been a page or two since the last "if only she had a gun this wouldn't have happened!" post. Just like every article about any sort of crime ever posted on the internet.
But I did apologize for using someone's tragic death for trolltastic revenge. And I may not be for gun control but I can't help but make fun of this idea that a gun empowers one with an aura of invincibility while every statistic out there shows the opposite. If you can't spend more than half an hour every few years training yourself to be comfortable and proficient with a firearm, then perhaps you should stick with heavy blunt objects for defense, or the multitude of non-lethal options out there. No, NRA, MOAR GUNS is not the best idea.
Anyway, the guy had PTSD, and the victim works with people with PTSD. Basically, it seems likely that taking this guy to a gun range was part of his "therapy" and he fucking snapped. So maybe this incident will change policy. The kind of policy that thinks you cure PTSDby giving the person a fucking gun holy shit.Crazy talk, I know. But I'll put out my NRA hat and agree that obviously, as always, the solution was more guns as this incident proves.
Gavinmad
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Or maybe the people whose job it is to deal with PTSD vets know more about it than you do. Crazy talk, I know.
Kreugen
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Most didn't know what war was really like until it was beamed into our living rooms during Vietnam. And of course angry vets and their families blame TEH (liberal) MEDIA for the way people freaked out over those images, and not the simple fact that for generations we had been fed total bullshit about the romanticism of gentlemanly war and having that fantasy shattered changed our perception forever. Prior to that, people that came back fucked up from war were probably just told "stop being a pussy, rub some dirt on it and go play."
You should hear my friend rant about liberals and THE MEDIA because of how his dad was treated when he came back from Vietnam. Something along the lines of "all liberals should be killed." He's a rather opinionated guy. I'd love to see his reaction to the fark thread about this shooting, since every third post is literally "I AM GLAD THAT MURDERER IS DEAD. FUCK HIM." I wish I was lying. Internet nerds as a whole are just hateful sacks of shit.